maria.azzopardi at UM.EDU.MT
Mon Nov 24 09:57:00 UTC 2008
Thank you so much for your help Stefan.
I will edit my signwriting text accordingly.
Yes, Stefan it would be good if the mouth-patterns used by all sign
languages are standardized in SignWriting -
/Of course there are some dificulties and differences and I am aware of
the fact that we are far away to to able to discriminate accurately
several mouhpatterns that are associated with typical sounds of speech .../
...but I think when mouth patterns are used in sign languages, the
finicky details of different speech sounds are not important. All that
is needed is a short list of mouth-patterns that can be clearly
seen/read by users of sign language. The list you sent me could be used
as standard international symbols for these mouth patterns used in sign
languages. What you call Mundbilder can be standardised internationally,
(nb: Here I'm not talking about signing+talking at the same time -
that's a different story - i guess what you would need there is what you
call Mundbildschrift, right?)
Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
> Hi Maria,
> thanks for your question.
> Well – here in Germany the mouth patterns take quite a part of the
> information of a sign in DGS (German Sign Language) When I started to
> write my fist SW-documents I felt confused that even I myself as the
> scribe of these documents could not identify some signs after a short
> time – And my deaf students have had a very hard time to beliee that
> we are not playing some kind of guessing game – smile –
> In the beginning I had some doubts that SW will function at all within
> this context –
> But it happened that I invented at the same time a special
> Speechwriting-notation which is a very welcome support in any context
> of articulation training... and usefull for other reasons as well. (If
> German deaf students learn to pronounce english words “Woehrmanns
> SpeechWriting” is a wonderfull support and teaching tool)
> Ok – I started to define several mouthsymbols that had been already
> part in the good old SW-Dos – software DOS SW4.3 – and over the time
> we have established a whole set of mouthsymbols that go along with
> what we can see if a hearing person is speaking.
> It would make sense if these symbols get some kind of standardization
> – so that all over the different SL – it would be the same symbol if
> somebody shuts the mouth to “speak” “M” or opens his mouth and
> protrudes his lips to say “U” ... or “sh”
> In the past I discussed the need to match SW-mouthpatterns with what
> we know from the IPA.
> Of course there are some dificulties and differences and I am aware of
> the fact that we are far away to to able to discriminate accurately
> several mouhpatterns that are associated with typical sounds of speech
> Nevermind – in order to support my deaf students to read and
> understand SW-document fluently and to improve their level of the
> spoken language (!!!) it has been a great advantage to develop this
> set of SW-mouth patterns.
> I created a document showing all the mouthpatterns that are used so
> far in GebaerdenSchrift (= the German branch of Sutton SignWriting) If
> you are interested I could give you more information about that.
> Would be great to look at a video while you speak the words:
> olive - O – (depends on your pronounciation – smile) often a simple
> “O” would be fine:
> u - like in you :
> F, V, W, PH, =
> L =
> M =
> All the best
> Stefan ;-)
> Which mouth patterns in signwriting correspond to the following sounds:
> 1. 'J' as in 'Jar'
> 2. 'SH' as in 'Sheets'
> 3. 'O' as in 'olive'
> 4. 'U' as in the vowel of 'You'
> I also have met 'F', 'L' and 'M' - these I signwrite as follows, see
> attachment. Are they the appropriate symbols?
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