AW: [sw-l] Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation

Wed Oct 1 16:03:09 UTC 2008

As Stefan and Ingvild gave really good responses, I will keep mine  
short and simple. 9 times out of 10 I personally write with the front  
view. This is because it is easiest to read. So here is my "internal"  
rule as I write. "Use the simplest way the most while remembering the  
other ways when simple doesn't work." Hope that helps.

The best way to learn how to write with SignWriting is to write. So  
why don't you try to write something from ASL as you know it and then  
ask for feedback. That is how I learned. Now I have people who are  
constantly asking me questions. ;-)

Adam

On Oct 1, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at gebaerdenschrift.d 
e> wrote:

> Hello Natasha, Ingvild ... friends
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> well in the long run this will not become a difficult decision – smi 
> le- You are lucky that there are already lots and lots of ASL signs  
> written in SignWriting. I would recomend to just look at the materia 
> ls written by competent scribes – und while doing so you will get fa 
> miliar with “typical” SW representations of ASL signs you already  
> know. Just for fun you may look at the US Sign-Puddle – The search f 
> or symbol function is a wonderfull option to look for many signs wri 
> tten with the index finger in either plane.
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> And I agree with Ingvild that most of us prefer the front view. The  
> two alternatives you show below are not too often because often the  
> fingers do not show directly to the left or right – ....
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> In the long run you will develop the feeling for an easy to read “de 
> sign” of a sign.
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> I loved to look at the videos you mentioned before
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> All the best
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> Stefan ;-)
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> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu 
> ] Im Auftrag von Natasha Escalada-Westland
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2008 14:31
> An: SignWriting List
> Betreff: RE: [sw-l] Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation
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> I have been thinking about all this information, and I have refined  
> my question once again.  I do appreciate everyone's patience.  I  
> understand that the symbols represent the planes from which the hand  
> is viewed.  How then does one decide when to switch planes of view  
> to represent a sign one would like to write?
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> For example, my original question involved trying to represent a  
> hand, palm in, pointed to my left, located in front of my body.   
> Because the hand can be represented in both the wall and the floor  
> plane (palm or side view or perspective), how or when does one make  
> the decision to use either one or the other representation?
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> One helpful list-member pointed out that you could imagine sticking  
> a pin in the hand shape and rotating it.  How do I decide which side  
> to stick the pin  in?  Another list-member said I should decide  
> based on the placement or height of the hand (am I seeing more of  
> wall or floor plane).  And then I also got advice that the height  
> (placement?) is irrelevant.
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> Truly, the hand is a six-sided box, if you choose to think about it  
> that way, so I am wondering if there is a writing rule that helps us  
> decide from which of the three parallel planes we are actually  
> viewing or writing it from.
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> How do you all go about making these decisions when writing?  Is  
> there a standard or rule for when to "break" or change planes?
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> Thanks again!
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> Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.
> Westland Progeny,
> www.westlandprogeny.com
> www.westlandasl.com
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> > From: signwriting at mac.com
> > To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> > Subject: Re: [sw-l] Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation
> > Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:53:26 -0700
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> > And the same is true for the plane parallel to the Floor. We can
> > pretend we are on the ceiling, looking down at hands that are  
> parallel
> > to the Floor Plane. Those hands have the break across them...and  
> they
> > can be high or low or far or near to the body, and if we pretend we
> > are a bird sitting high up, looking down, we see the hand parallel  
> to
> > the floor...no matter how high or low the hand itself is...that is  
> why
> > Ingvild called it the "bird's eye view"...so all these levels of
> > hands, parallel to the Floor Plane have a break in the handshape.
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> > In the attached diagram all these hands are in the exact same palm
> > facing. They are simply at different heights. They are all  
> parallel to
> > the Floor. And we are viewing them as if we were a bird sitting on  
> the
> > ceiling....so we know it is the Floor Plane, when there is a break  
> in
> > the finger...at any height:
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