translating text in signpuddle

Fri Oct 17 13:17:53 UTC 2008

give-to-me [input] 

give [input] 

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As you can see, give-to-me" is a phrase, "give" is a verb which has many contexts.  

You have to experiment.

Charles

Honza <honza at ruce.cz> wrote: yes, but it is not possible to do the same in translating, or is?

thanks 
Honza

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 In addition, Honza, this function works and lets you search all parameters.

 become
come
 come here
come together
 come-
come-2
 come-down
come-here
 come-here-boy
income
 light comes on
overcome
 welcome
welcome (person left)
 welcome (person right)
welcome welcome 
If you save a sign you try to put every way it could be translated.  

Charles

Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Looking up "give" Honza, gives ALL appearances of "give".  It doesn't depend on hyphens. It's a text searcher, not looking for blanks or hyphens.

 forgive
give
 Give
give (2) you give me
 give (v) I give you
give myself baby
 give up
give-back
 give-cup-to
give-cups-to-several-people
 give-gift
give-give
 give-out
give-to
 give-to-me
give-up
 gives
I give to you 
I think the Sign Puddle, for what it does, does a pretty good job.

Try experimenting with the search function as well as particular words.  Sign Puddle has been working for many years.  

Honza <honza at ruce.cz> wrote: sure there are many signs like that.
 I just wonder how to do it in signpuddle.
Probably name signs with both "he gives to me" and "he-give-to-me" otherwise if you search for "give" in search result you would not see "he-give-to-me".

Honza

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM,   Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  The problem is that ANY language translation program needs to be done "phrase by phrase" and that comes out as lots of hyphens "what's-up" in the current version of sign puddle.  "I-give-to-him" is another example.  ASL carries direction in a single sign, so every phrase has to be included in a comprehensive dictionary.  It will be a challenge for any spoken language to any signed language and all translation programs have to build in "proximity" rules for phrases.  

"I give to him" is not "he gives to me" and sign puddle translation has to have both phrases.  It will be a challenge for a long time.

Charles Butler

Honza <honza at ruce.cz> wrote:  sure I know, but it is also how are sings shown. I think it is possible to do it that way, it is possible than to translate prhases as well, if they are  entered to the puddle. 
 Right now there is only way - to label more words terms with "-".
 so then I am not able to take advantage of having possibility to enter signs that needs to be labeled with more words.
 thanks

Honza

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Cherie Wren <cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:
   The problem is with how the sign is entered into the puddle, I think.  If I enter the (single) sign that would be translated "whats up", I would label it as WHAT-UP.  There is no program known that can ACCURATELY translate from one language to another (have you SEEN the results from Babelfish?!)  All the computer can do is substitute the sign  WHAT for what, the (English) sigh IS for is, and the sign UP for up.  It can't know that the English 'what is up' translates to a single sign, unless you label the sign that way when you enter it.  

 The preceeding message is from a non-programming computer user.  Your mileage may vary.  ::grin::

cherie

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From: Honza <honza at ruce.cz>
To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
   Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 5:29:42 AM
Subject: [sw-l] translating text in signpuddle

   Hi Val,

since SignPuddle 1.5 was published I have problems with translating text.
Let me explain. Short example. I need to translate "whats up" in longer text. 
So I write "... what is up ..."
    But in the SL text appear signs "... WHAT UP .. "
but I need it to translate ony with one sign.
So I can do it in some ways (like in sign "what's up" add meaning "what" to be shown beside single "what".. or use "-" but that's not what I need.

Is   there some way how to make clean translation of phrases into one sign (which is already added in to puddle)?

thanks
Honza

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