Mouth Patterns

Sun Sep 21 23:31:53 UTC 2008

SignWriting List
September 21, 2008

Hello Maria and Stefan!
Thanks for this message. Stefan wrote to me a few hours ago to tell me  
that he is going on a field trip with his students this week, and he  
will be offline for one week. He is leaving tommorow morning...they  
will be at some kind of a youth hostel...sounds like fun! Have fun,  
Stefan!

Yes, Maria, that is correct...Stefan's SpeechWriting can be applied to  
any spoken language, and is written from left to right most of the  
time, following the movement of the mouth while speaking a spoken  
language, and although it has been used mostly for German so far, it  
does work for other spoken languages too, and I am sure could be  
developed further to encompass more spoken languages...

And although I do not know anything about statistics, I do know that  
Stefan has told me that some of his students are pronouncing German  
words better and some are really speaking, because of SpeechWriting...

Meanwhile, yes, SignWriting has always been used to write Mouthing and  
Grammatical Mouth Movements of Sign Languages...It all depends on how  
much detail we choose to write...not everyone chooses to write  
Mouthing, but it can be written with SignWriting is the writer  
chooses...

German.................................English

Mundbildschrift.....................Woehrmann's SpeechWriting

Mundbilder............................Mouthing

Mundgestik...........................Sign Language Grammatical Mouth  
Movements

Maybe when Stefan returns he can explain more of SpeechWriting...or go  
to our area for Germany and download number 9 on this web page:

SignWriting in Germany
http://www.SignWriting.org/germany

Val ;-)

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On Sep 21, 2008, at 3:44 PM, MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:

> Thanks for the clarifications Valerie,
>
> I think I now understand why Mundbilder and the Grammatical Mouth
> Movements are included in ISWA and not the Mundbildscrift :) Only
> Mundbilder and Grammatical Mouth Movements are part of sign languages
> right?
>
> The Mundbildscrift is the signwriting for all the phonemes in the  
> German
> language - and is rather a tool for the acquision of the spoken German
> language right? wow this is really innovative! I think all speech
> therapists around the world should have a Mundbildscrift (which  
> would be
> slightly different depending on the language of course) for working  
> with
> Deaf children! I am convinced that this would be of enormous help -  
> well
> done Stefan - the children can see the sounds :)) amazing. Stefan do  
> you
> have any statistics about the success of this so far?
>
> Maria
>
>
>> SignWriting List
>> September 21, 2008
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2008, at 6:11 AM, MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:
>>> I'm trying to figure out the exact mouth patterns for the  
>>> signwriting
>>> symbols.
>>>
>>> Is there by any chance a list of the signwriting mouth patterns with
>>> the
>>> corresponding phonetic alphabet (IPA) letters that match the
>>> signwriting
>>> symbols? Or perhaps photos/illustrations of the mouth patterns
>>> produced by
>>> the signer with the correspoinding signwriting symbols?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Maria
>>
>>
>> ----------
>>
>> Hello Maria and Stefan!
>>
>> Thank you for your message above, Maria, and I am happy to see that
>> Stefan has already answered you at length...
>>
>> Let me try to explain it with English terminology...
>>
>> If I make any mistakes, Stefan, please tell me...It would be great to
>> get good terminology in English for your developments...
>>
>> A few years back, I asked Stefan to find a name for his invention and
>> we decided that in English, we would call it Woehrmann's
>> SpeechWriting. In German, Stefan calls it Mundbildschrift.
>>
>> Did you know about Woehrmann's SpeechWriting?
>>
>> Stefan took the basic SignWriting mouth symbols, and then developed
>> them further, inventing a system for writing the mouth patterns of
>> German speech, using an extended set of symbols...it is very exciting
>> because some of Stefan's students are actually learning to speak
>> German words better, because of his amazing SpeechWriting  
>> development.
>>
>> Stefan also differentiates between SpeechWriting, and Mouthing...the
>> movements of the mouth while signing...when signers mouth the way a
>> word would be said, while they are using Sign Language...I believe
>> Stefan calls this Mundbilder in German....is this correct, Stefan?
>>
>> And then there is a third set of mouth movements that are connected  
>> to
>> native Sign Languages of the Deaf...that are not based on any spoken
>> language...like "PAH" and other mouth positions we all know...based  
>> on
>> the grammatical needs of sign languages...
>>
>> So there are three kinds of writing the mouth:
>>
>> 1. SpeechWriting....or....Mundbildschrift in German
>>
>> 2. Mouthing.....or....Mundbilder in German
>>
>> 3. Sign Language mouth movements based on grammar....what is that in
>> German?
>>
>> Anyway, no matter what..there are three kinds! ;-))
>>
>> And number 2 and 3 above are in the ISWA...
>>
>> Regarding more instruction for the ISWA symbols, including Facial
>> Expressions, we have started a new place to learn the ISWA...it is
>> still under construction, but you might want to look now...someday
>> there will be photos or other illustrations to help you learn the
>> symbols...
>>
>> ISWA 2008 Symbol Lessons
>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/
>>
>> You can also access the above page from the Lessons area:
>>
>> SignWriting Lessons
>> http://www.SignWriting.org/lessons
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>>
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