macarena - dance audience's viewpoint

Wed Jan 7 18:18:42 UTC 2009

SignWriting List
January 7, 2009

What a lot of fun, Stefan! I love the attached photo!

And I am happy to know from Ingvild and Charles too, that you all can  
read it - that is great news!

That is the way it should be ;-))

Your students are very lucky to have so much fun in school!!

big grin

Val ;-)

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On Jan 7, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

> Hello Valerie, Tini and SW-list
>
> thank you very much for this informative answer. Well – the  idea  
> behind all this is to motivate my students to achieve a higher level  
> in SW – reading and writing. It should be fun and – wow it is so  
> much fun!
> So  - thanks for your understanding that we write this mixture style  
> in order to preserve what we try to remember – regarding this easy  
> to learn disco dance. And you know that I use a lot movement Writing  
> for other occasions.
>
> I would like to share this photo impression from our lesson today.  
> We have had so much fun and since reading SW is so easy it has been  
> a tremendous support to study this movement sequence as a group  
> dance. You see – the foto shows the moment when my colleague Janna  
> tries to inform our SW-artist Eduard to use the other hand – smile.
>
>
> On the attached document the reader might get confused because of  
> the different presentations: (signwriting/movement-writing  
> receptive  versus photo “audience’s viewpoint”.
> Probably this would be an excellent opportunity to introduce the  
> "audience's viewpoint",
>
> Thank you so much for this lesson!
>
> Stefan ;-)
>
> Von: Valerie Sutton [mailto:signwriting at mac.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Januar 2009 02:23
> An: SignWriting List
> Cc: Tini Pel; Stefan Woehrmann; Stefan Woehrmann
> Betreff: Re: [sw-l] macarena - dance
>
> SignWriting List
> January 6, 2009
>
> Hello Stefan and Tini and Everyone!
>
> Wow. Thanks for the attached document and for the video on YouTube...
>
> And congratulations on all your hard work...this is a beautiful  
> document ;-)
>
> Go right ahead and use it with your students - I bet they will have  
> a lot of fun with it!
>
> Maybe the first column isn't necessary? It is a little hard to  
> read...but once the arm movements really start and the rest of the  
> document I could definitely read!
>
> At the moment we do not have a DanceWriting List, nor do I want to  
> start one ....Technically your document is a blend of the more  
> modern way we write SignWriting and some of the old  
> DanceWriting...but it really doesn't look like real  
> DanceWriting...but that is ok...it doesn't have to!
>
> It is more "movement Writing" ;-))
>
> You see, DanceWriting is a related system, but it is handled  
> differently than this document...
>
> Regarding the old DanceWriting...it is not written receptively or  
> expressively...it is written from the "audience's viewpoint", so if  
> the dancer faces you, you write the body facing you...that is like  
> receptive, but the difference is that when the dancer turns the body  
> and is facing the side wall, you the writer still stay in the  
> audience, so you then write the body facing the side wall, just as  
> you see it in real life...a dotted line is used to show the side  
> wall viewpoint...and if the dancer turns to have the back to the  
> audience, then you write what you see if you were sitting in the  
> audience...so then you would write the back of the dancer at that  
> time...
>
> I used to write the dances of the Royal Danish Ballet while sitting  
> out in the audience....that is how that "stage view" started...
>
> So if I were writing the video on YouTube, I would instinctively  
> write it as if I were sitting in the audience which is very  
> different than writing it from the dancer's perspective, which is  
> what I believe you are writing...and that is fine...go right ahead!
>
> We never used overhead views in DanceWriting...those came into  
> SignWriting years later, and of course I guess the overhead view  
> could be used in DanceWriting now, taking it from SignWriting, but  
> because DanceWriting was based on writing while sitting in the  
> audience, an overhead view was never considered...
>
> DanceWriting is oftentimes written under music scores with a five  
> lined staff that is like what written music is written on...five  
> lines...
>
> But SignWriting does not use a five lined staff to show levels or  
> height of a jump or a bend etc...it is a different world...
>
> So I was in the professional ballet world and we had our own  
> profession...
>
> Your document is fine for your students and a lot of fun! Please go  
> ahead and use it...
>
> I had a little problem reading the first column...is that writing  
> the beginning of the video on YouTube? I think you are trying to  
> shake your shoulders while going up and down with bent legs, at  
> least that is what I saw in the video...but I could not have read  
> the first column as that, because there are no bending knees and  
> straightening legs...
>
> For me, I need the lower body to really write this, but your writing  
> is fun because you are really writing only the upper body except for  
> the jumping...by the way, a jumping arrow is a little different in  
> DanceWriting but I think your three lines that look like the floor  
> are wonderful! Very descriptive!
>
> I believe you are starting teaching again tomorrow? ENJOY!!
>
> Regarding DanceWriting, we have a whole library of books you can  
> download for free on the internet if you are interested...They are  
> not really instruction books, but more Sheet Dance literature...but  
> fun to download....
>
> DanceWriting Library
> http://www.DanceWriting.org/library
>
> Notice the Jumping Arrow on this web page:
> http://www.dancewriting.org/lessons/dwless001.html
>
> The jumping arrow is placed under the feet of the jumping figure ;-)
>
> Anyway, I must go to bed now...Thanks for sharing with us and tell  
> us how it goes with your students writing the Macarena!!
>
> Val ;-)
>
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>
> On Jan 6, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
>
>
> Hi Valerie, Tini, dancewriters, movementwriters und SW-list friends –
>
> I came across a youtube video. Here a young lady explains the dance – 
> movements of a disco dance: Macarena
>
> http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=vlzwuFkn88U&feature=related
>
>
> I would like to use it in my class as a project for a wonderful  
> demonstration of the benefits of quick handwriting – and afterwards  
> carefully transcription with a computer program.
> I would ask you for your feeling, ideas, impressions.
> Can you understand?
>
> Well in fact the timing of the beat is still missing and if you look  
> at the video you see that they move from the right foot to the left  
> foot while doing these other things with their hands and arms. So  
> many things to keep in mind. ( And in the beginning she explains to  
> start with the right hand – but – hm …. ???
>
> Have fun – and thanks for any comments
>
> Stefan ;-)
>
>
>
>
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