AW: [sw-l] New Czech sign...I wrote these in the Czech SignPuddle

Tue Jan 27 21:47:25 UTC 2009

Val, Stefan, Honza

I would change the first section the same as the second

X upright hand front of hand
== flat hand

X upright back of hand
== flat hand

The horizontal hand doesn't change position.  In your jpg it looks like it moves.  

Honza <honza at ruce.cz> wrote: Hi Val and Stefan,

actually it is not Czech, but Slovak sign, but that is not important ;), anyway it means PEAR.
I tried to use similar spelling inspired by Val.

I won't use any face expression, at least expression that should mean "B" - so the one Stefan supposed.

thanks for help
Honza

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
 SignWriting List
 January 27, 2009

 Hi Stefan!

 That is fine! That mouth position can certainly be interpreted as tense lips...and if that is a"P" in Woehrmann's SpeechWriting that is fine...I don't know what the Czech word is for that sign..I don't even know what the sign means....so I agree if Honza agrees...

 The Tense lips can also be used slightly differently...in ASL we use the Tense lips for two lips pressing each other, like in the sign for possessives such as YOURS or HIS...and that is not quite a P position of the lips...so I guess there are some tiny variations for use for that symbol...and that is perfectly fine ;-)

 Even in our two spoken languages...German and English...we use the Roman alphabet differently...so this is to be expected...

 I will remember that P is the Tense Lips symbol in SpeechWriting...

 Thank you for SpeechWriting! It is an important development and successful too...

 Val ;-)

 On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

  Hi Val,

 thanks for your message. I always love to study your spellings ...

 In this case I would like to add one comment.

 I see, that you decided to add a facial expression - in Germany we say mouth-gesture to all kinds of mouth, lip, tongue movements that do not go along with soundless speaking ...

 The signer is moving the lips as if speaking - so speechwriting starting with the "P"-mouth   would be my suggestion.

 Stefan ;-)

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 SignWriting List
 January 27, 2009

 Here are my attempts at writing this very difficult but interesting
 sign from the Czech Republic! See attached....

 Hope this helps....these examples are in your Czech SignPuddle
 dictionary, Honza, for you to play with...

 As you can see, this is a difficult sign to write, and I tried many
 avenues...I am not sure what is best myself, but sometimes, after a
 long time, people start writing themselves, and one day, someone comes
 up with a great way to write the same sign that we were struggling
 with for years! So see this as a "first attempt" and then over time
 you will get feedback from others until you find a SignSpelling that
 works for your readers...

 I have to go to an appointment now, so I will be back later today -
 Val ;-)

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