AW: [sw-l] New Czech sign...I wrote these in the Czech SignPuddle

[Honza]

Hi,

you mean this (see attached 2)
I agree, it would it better, because the left hand doesnot move, but I don't
like this kind of spelling, where handshape positions are not the same as on
the picture, but specified by additional symbols.

The best for me would be third version (attached 3) but some one can say it
is not readable well.

thanks
Honza

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Charles Butler
<chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Val, Stefan, Honza
>
> I would change the first section the same as the second
>
> X upright hand front of hand
> == flat hand
>
> X upright back of hand
> == flat hand
>
> The horizontal hand doesn't change position.  In your jpg it looks like it
> moves.
>
> *Honza <honza at ruce.cz>* wrote:
>
> Hi Val and Stefan,
>
> actually it is not Czech, but Slovak sign, but that is not important ;),
> anyway it means PEAR.
> I tried to use similar spelling inspired by Val.
>
> I won't use any face expression, at least expression that should mean "B" -
> so the one Stefan supposed.
>
> thanks for help
> Honza
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>wrote:
>
>> SignWriting List
>> January 27, 2009
>>
>> Hi Stefan!
>>
>> That is fine! That mouth position can certainly be interpreted as tense
>> lips...and if that is a"P" in Woehrmann's SpeechWriting that is fine...I
>> don't know what the Czech word is for that sign..I don't even know what the
>> sign means....so I agree if Honza agrees...
>>
>> The Tense lips can also be used slightly differently...in ASL we use the
>> Tense lips for two lips pressing each other, like in the sign for
>> possessives such as YOURS or HIS...and that is not quite a P position of the
>> lips...so I guess there are some tiny variations for use for that
>> symbol...and that is perfectly fine ;-)
>>
>> Even in our two spoken languages...German and English...we use the Roman
>> alphabet differently...so this is to be expected...
>>
>> I will remember that P is the Tense Lips symbol in SpeechWriting...
>>
>> Thank you for SpeechWriting! It is an important development and successful
>> too...
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Val,
>>>
>>> thanks for your message. I always love to study your spellings ...
>>>
>>> In this case I would like to add one comment.
>>>
>>> I see, that you decided to add a facial expression - in Germany we say
>>> mouth-gesture to all kinds of mouth, lip, tongue movements that do not go
>>> along with soundless speaking ...
>>>
>>> The signer is moving the lips as if speaking - so speechwriting starting
>>> with the "P"-mouth   would be my suggestion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Stefan ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:
>>> sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag vonValerie Sutton
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Januar 2009 18:51
>>> An: SignWriting List
>>> Cc: Adam Frost
>>> Betreff: [sw-l] New Czech sign...I wrote these in the Czech SignPuddle
>>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> January 27, 2009
>>>
>>> Here are my attempts at writing this very difficult but interesting
>>> sign from the Czech Republic! See attached....
>>>
>>> Hope this helps....these examples are in your Czech SignPuddle
>>> dictionary, Honza, for you to play with...
>>>
>>> As you can see, this is a difficult sign to write, and I tried many
>>> avenues...I am not sure what is best myself, but sometimes, after a
>>> long time, people start writing themselves, and one day, someone comes
>>> up with a great way to write the same sign that we were struggling
>>> with for years! So see this as a "first attempt" and then over time
>>> you will get feedback from others until you find a SignSpelling that
>>> works for your readers...
>>>
>>> I have to go to an appointment now, so I will be back later today -
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________
>>>
>>> SW-L SignWriting List
>>>
>>> Post Message
>>> SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>>
>>> List Archives and Help
>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/
>>>
>>> Change Email Settings
>>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________
>>
>> SW-L SignWriting List
>>
>> Post Message
>> SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>
>> List Archives and Help
>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/
>>
>> Change Email Settings
>> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
>>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________
>
> SW-L SignWriting List
>
> Post Message
> SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>
> List Archives and Help
> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/
>
> Change Email Settings
> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________
>
> SW-L SignWriting List
>
> Post Message
> SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>
> List Archives and Help
> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/
>
> Change Email Settings
> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20090128/07eff2e2/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: broskyna2.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 2678 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20090128/07eff2e2/attachment.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: broskyna3.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 1834 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20090128/07eff2e2/attachment-0001.jpg>
-------------- next part --------------



____________________________________________

SW-L SignWriting List

Post Message
SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu

List Archives and Help
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/

Change Email Settings
http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l