Body, Torso, Shoulders, Tilting, Bending

[Adam Frost]

To be honest, I don't know what I am saying. ;-)

So how would you write the movement that I had the animated stick  
figure doing?

Adam

On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

> SignWriting List
> July 9, 2008
>
> I am very happy we are discussing this. It is good to document all  
> this.
>
> I can try to take a video of myself doing it, but I am not sure you  
> will be able to see it well
>
> I think the easiest way to see these, Adam, is the words "small and  
> large".
>
> When the symbols are near the shoulders, we are doing very small  
> rocking...we are only "pushing the shoulders over"..it  is the  
> ribcage moving over a little...
>
> When we put the symbols on the head, we are saying that the whole  
> body goes over...not just the shoulders
>
> Mime artists do this differentiation all the time. They isolate a  
> part of the body, and only move that one part, and not letting any  
> other part move.
>
> Are you saying that you want bending along with the rocking? If so,  
> then that can be written...see attached diagram below....
>
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>
> So the first ones at the top of this diagram are simply saying that  
> the shoulders are pushed over to one side or the other a little, but  
> they are not at a slant...the shoulders are still straight forward
>
> The next ones down, the middle ones, still have the head looking  
> straight front, but the shoulders are slanting or tilting.. a slight  
> bend right or left...they also have their shoulder up, and the  
> shoulders are rocking a little to the side
>
> The third ones are really twisting to the corner...so they are  
> totally different...
>
> Someday we need to make a video clip of these differences...
>
> Val ;-)
>
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> On Jul 9, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Adam Frost wrote:
>
>> Hmm... Hmmmmm... So there is no weight shift with the shoulder  
>> rocking? And the shoulders stay level in both, but there is no  
>> bending?
>>
>> I was thinking about the difference being that the pivot is at the  
>> waist and mid-spine for the rocking from the hips and the shoulder  
>> respectively, but it would seem that the shoulders and head would  
>> have to tilt and pivoting from mid-spine would cause bending and  
>> stretching.
>>
>> Hmm... I'm just not seeing it, and you are right that if I was in  
>> your office with you showing me that I would have it in no time.  
>> *Sigh*
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 12:45 PM, SignWriting wrote:
>>
>>> My drawing skills are not very good...
>>>
>>> Essentially the symbols near the Shoulder Line is Shoulder Rocking  
>>> and the other is Hip Rocking. While the rocking motion occurs, the  
>>> spine and head and body all remain straight...there is no bending  
>>> happening...if you want to combine bending with it you can, but  
>>> all by themselves, these symbols do not write any bending or  
>>> twisting...The symbols over the head are really writing weight  
>>> change from the hip...
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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