SignPuddle Brackets

Sun Jul 26 03:55:03 UTC 2009

I'd love to be involved with the SW shorthand as well; I have seen references to it on the site but I'd love to learn more about how it works and help with the updates...
KJ
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  From: Stephen Jones 
  To: SignWriting List 
  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [sw-l] SignPuddle Brackets

  Hi,

  I understand how you are doing brackets if needed now. Thanks for the tip!

  I would be very interested in the shorthand system and even working with you to update it if you have the time and want someone else to help with it.

  Both my wife and I are doing this project for Grad school, but we also use SignWriting in our work as interpreters. We have even taught an in house training for other interpreters interested in writing Sign Languages. 

  ~Stephen

  On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:

    SignWriting List
    July 23, 2009

    Hi Stephen -
    Thanks for this message...

    On Jul 23, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Stephen Jones wrote:

      I have not been able to transfer everything we are getting to SignPuddle yet. We do what are called elicitation sessions and have to write what we elicit into a Data Notebook by hand during the session with the Language Consultant. It is a requirement of the class to write it at the time we "hear" it. So, I currently have not put sentences into sign puddle, but they are all in my Data Note Book for Paraguay Signs.

    What an interesting project! So you are writing SignWriting by hand then...As you know, years ago, in the 1980's we had a success with using our old SignWriting Shorthand system for classroom notetaking in ASL, at CSUN for a Deaf student and it was an exciting time, with new ideas being applied to real classroom settings....writing sign language at speed of signing, and then re-writing the notes taken so quickly, into more formal SignWriting for the student to be able to read at home...then SignWriting evolved into expressive and vertical writing and the Shorthand fell out of date, and it still has to be updated to match the way we write today, but I am confident that we can someday start using the Shorthand again as a form of daily personal handwriting, that might be useful for your kind of work...

    For those on the List that are new to all this, there is a section on SignWriting Handwriting and Shorthand on the web, in the lessons section:

    http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/

      I am also teaching Sign Language Phonetics and this is where I was trying to get the brackets. What I do is make the sentences in Sign Text then e-mail them to myself without saving, because the sentences are from videos of Thai sign, African sign, Spanish sign, etc. I also rely on the load signs into sign text after e-mailing heavily if I need to change something. I did not want to save all these in the ASL Puddle, so I just have not been saving them. I also use Sign Puddle to make the dictation tests, which just has about 7 random signs from various languages, so it is not really a story or necessarily ASL and thus I do not save them.

      In short I was trying to do the brackets in Sign Text.

    Wow. Well, first I am glad to know you are so skilled with computers and SignPuddle software...and that you know SignText! Your work sounds fascinating ;-)

    Regarding the use of brackets, they do well in horizontal writing...that is where they really originated. Then when we started writing vertically, they posed a bit of a problem, but if we were doing a graphics file, like the attached one, where I literally went into Photoshop and added the bracket in grey, then obviously we could use the brackets going down in vertical columns...but that was not using SignText.... (continued next message)...

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