Handshapes and systematic discussion

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
June 2, 2009

Thank you, Steve and Charles, for your two messages!!

Yes, SignWriting is a flexible and evolving, living, breathing writing  
system, and no writing system that is used around the world is fixed  
in stone...none of them are...

Computer programs and typewriters require a set of symbols to type  
with, and so during the software or typewriter development process,  
the developers have no choice but to choose a specific set of symbols  
to function in the technology...

But that is only for those machines or devices...meanwhile language  
and writing systems, on a daily basis, are always changing around the  
world...and it is not just SignWriting...it is true for all writing  
systems that are really used...

So Adam, Steve and I are working together now, to document and use the  
specific symbols that we put together for the current software, called  
the ISWA 2008...that's all...

Within the symbols in the ISWA 2008 we have every flop and rotation  
you need to write with..so it is flexible...you have complete freedom  
to write as you wish, and have all the choices..just scroll down to  
find the flop of the symbol you wish to use...or use the Mirror Key to  
flop the symbol into the position you need...

Val ;-)

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On Jun 2, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Steve, this reply answers a lot of questions in a very positive  
> way.  The fact that release notes are included makes all the  
> difference in the world.  Any system has its points of discussion,  
> letting people know that there is flexibility allows for teachers to  
> make choices.
>
> Without that proviso it feels as it if it fixed in stone, not a  
> flexible system that has its very positive system and sometimes  
> confusing small points.  This mirror reflection discussion is a  
> point of reference that means that the symbol one wants is there,  
> just not in an expected place, and that can be worked around.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/2/09, Steve Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net> wrote:
>
> From: Steve Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net>
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] RE: Handshapes and systematic discussion
> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:30 AM
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> Charles Butler wrote:
>>
>> As we start getting photographs being laid side by side with the  
>> graphics that have been created, I think we are going to come to a  
>> MUCH BETTER consensus discussion and if that means that the ISWA  
>> has to be edited, then so much the better.  All of us can be  
>> consulted and come to a happy decision.
>>
> If you want to start making notes for the ISWA 2012, please go  
> ahead.  Valerie and Adam are documenting the ISWA 2008 so you'll be  
> getting more and more information to work with.
>
> The ISWA 2008 will not be changing.  I highly doubt the ISWA will be  
> revisited in the near future.  We have limited time and resources  
> and we are moving forward.  Your attitude reinforces the idea that  
> we are not ready for Unicode yet unless people accept the idea that  
> no writing system is perfect and that knowledge can be gained by  
> understanding the imperfections.
>
> The ISWA 2008 was a labor of love.  We already had a formal review  
> and that review ended last year.  The ISWA 2008 is the current  
> standard for SignWriting.
>
> Regards,
> -Steve
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