Keeping up with the times

Adam Frost icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM
Sat Jun 6 17:07:25 UTC 2009 

Well, don't worry about all the various things that are going on. It  
is hard to keep up with it all. While I do have a blog, I am not that  
fervent with keeping it up to date as I probably should be. And I  
don't even have Facebook or Twitter.

About the way SignReader looks on my iPhone, I guess I should take  
some pictures for people to see. I'll do that along with some pictures  
of how my blog is looking on it as well. Kinda cool actually. ;-)

Adam

On Jun 6, 2009, at 7:56 AM, "Valerie Sutton" <sutton at signwriting.org>  
wrote:

> SignWriting List
> June 5, 2009
>
> Hello Kelly Jo!
> Thank you for this message. It is always great to hear from you...It  
> would be amazing to have a flexible keyboard, I agree...
>
> And by the way, when Adam was working with me here in San Diego at  
> the end of May, he showed me his iPhone with SignWriting clearly  
> displayed beautifully on its tiny screen...it was such an amazing  
> experience to see the SignPuddle Reader and other web pages on the  
> iPhone...but even more amazing to realize how far we have come from  
> a technology perspective...I am grateful for SignPuddle, which has  
> helped us spread SignWriting on the internet, and on these tiny  
> handheld devices...
>
> I am also becoming painfully aware of how behind I am with all the  
> new technology...there was a time, when the internet was new for the  
> general public, when I was sort of "jumping ahead" with technology  
> and eagerly learning about new devices...that was back in the  
> 1990s...but then I got used to my computer as I knew it, and I have  
> not been keeping up with cell phones and handhelds...and blogging  
> and FaceBook etc...
>
> I also have never visited Twitter, nor have I ever received a  
> Tweet...smile...everyone is talking about Twitter and Tweets here,  
> and I decided that today I am going to learn about it...smile...
>
> Twitter
> http://twitter.com/
>
> Are any of you on Twitter?
>
> Val ;-)
>
> -----------
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:21 PM, KJ wrote:
>
>> I'm really looking forward to being able to keyboard SW - and I  
>> love the idea of a flexible keyboard.  I'm not a programmer so I  
>> can't speak to how hard it would be, but I hope some flexibility  
>> could be built into it.
>> KJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Charles Butler
>> To: SignWriting List
>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Keyboarding and updating old and new SW software
>>
>> I go back to the days of programmable macros for Lotus 1-2-3 and  
>> with a lot of preliminary thought on how it could be set up, a  
>> programmable macro would work for any particular language.  A  
>> flexible keyboard would be a challenge, but could be made using  
>> that principal, but would really have to be designed by a group of  
>> people working in that language.  Changing it on the fly constantly  
>> makes for a programming nightmare.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt>
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Keyboarding and updating old and new SW software
>> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>> Cc: "Antonio Carlos da Rocha Costa" <rocha at atlas.ucpel.tche.br>
>> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 3:23 AM
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> Having a keyboard would be great. I remember using it MSDos.  
>> However what
>> are the possibilties of having a keyboard where you could choose the
>> symbols you need at hand. Where the user could assign keys  
>> depending on
>> what he needs. Since different sign languages use different symbols  
>> (have
>> different signwriting alphabets), every language, after identifying  
>> the
>> most important symbols used, would be free to assign keys on the  
>> keyboard
>> depending on the frequency of use. For e.g if in LSM I have not yet
>> encounterd a sign with a handshape from Group 7: Ring Finger,  
>> therefore I
>> would not need it on my keyboard and could leave this group out,  
>> and if
>> say in Group 5, LSM only uses 7 handshapes in all - then all the  
>> others
>> need not be assigned to the keyboard. And the same could be done  
>> for every
>> sign language.
>>
>> Of course, I have absolutely no idea whether this can actually be  
>> done in
>> technical terms. It's just an idea.
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
>> > SignWriting List
>> > June 3, 2009
>> >
>> > Wow -
>> > This is a good plan below, Steve -
>> >
>> > SignWriter Java, SignWriter Tiger, SignWriter Python and SWEdit  
>> (from
>> > Brazil) all had promise and if we could revive and improve them,  
>> that
>> > would be an amazing development...and to make keyboarding  
>> possible for
>> > the ISWA 2008 in SignPuddle would be great as well...
>> >
>> > Meanwhile the drag and drop method works well and is easy to  
>> learn for
>> > most people...so I hope we can keep that as well...
>> >
>> > SW Edit is still downloaded on the internet and used, so if that  
>> could
>> > someday be coordinated with SignPuddle that would be used more...we
>> > will need permission from the developers in Brazil...if we could
>> > install the ISWA 2008 into SWEdit that would help as well...
>> >
>> > The idea of revamping all the SignWriter programs into one
>> > consolidated SignWriter, possibly in Python, sounds good to me...  
>> The
>> > old SignWriter Java program was so close, but it could never print,
>> > and then time has gone by and now the symbolset is out of  
>> date...and
>> > SignWriter Tiger by Daniel Noelpp Ly, is still on the web, and the
>> > source code is available for download...It too was a beautiful  
>> program
>> > that had great promise:
>> >
>> > http://www.signwriter.org/
>> > http://www.signwriting.org/swiss/swtiger/
>> >
>> > Val ;-)
>> >
>> > -------------
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Andre,
>> >>
>> >> If not for time and money, we could have a keyboarding application
>> >> right now.  The SignWriter keyboard design was updated to the IMWA
>> >> but never implemented.   Other than time, it would be trivial to
>> >> update the keyboarding specs for the ISWA 2008..
>> >>
>> >> After I finalize the first version of the open standards of
>> >> SignWriting, SignWriter should be rewritten with the new symbol  
>> set
>> >> and data model.  Maybe we can start with SignWriter Java or
>> >> SignWriter Python, but I'm thinking that we'll have to start over.
>> >> Perhaps someone could update SW Edit?  I heard it had promise.
>> >>
>> >> The new SignText will not initially use the SignWriter keyboard
>> >> layout, but a layout inspired by the VI editor.  However, I'm  
>> hoping
>> >> that SignPuddle will use a SignWriter style keyboard well before  
>> 2012.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> -Steve
>> >>
>> >> Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Steve and everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>>       Steve, I am just curious. Are you going to use (or  
>> develop) a
>> >>> keyboard computer from SignPuddle for ISWA 2012?
>> >>>
>> >>>       Best regards,
>> >>>
>> >>>       André
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: Steve Slevinski
>> >>> To: SignWriting List
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:30 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] RE: Handshapes and systematic discussion
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Charles,
>> >>>
>> >>> Charles Butler wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As we start getting photographs being laid side by side with the
>> >>>> graphics that have been created, I think we are going to come  
>> to a
>> >>>> MUCH BETTER consensus discussion and if that means that the ISWA
>> >>>> has to be edited, then so much the better.  All of us can be
>> >>>> consulted and come to a happy decision.
>> >>>>
>> >>> If you want to start making notes for the ISWA 2012, please go
>> >>> ahead.  Valerie and Adam are documenting the ISWA 2008 so  
>> you'll be
>> >>> getting more and more information to work with.
>> >>>
>> >>> The ISWA 2008 will not be changing.  I highly doubt the ISWA will
>> >>> be revisited in the near future.  We have limited time and
>> >>> resources and we are moving forward.  Your attitude reinforces  
>> the
>> >>> idea that we are not ready for Unicode yet unless people accept  
>> the
>> >>> idea that no writing system is perfect and that knowledge can be
>> >>> gained by understanding the imperfections.
>> >>>
>> >>> The ISWA 2008 was a labor of love.  We already had a formal  
>> review
>> >>> and that review ended last year.  The ISWA 2008 is the current
>> >>> standard for SignWriting.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> -Steve
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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