Keeping up with the times

MARIA AZZOPARDI maria.azzopardi at UM.EDU.MT
Mon Jun 8 08:07:15 UTC 2009 

Wow Adam really cool! Well done for all the work and heart you put into
signwriting! A true young pioneer who can change the Deaf perspective on
signwriting..keep going Adam...

Maria

> Well, don't worry about all the various things that are going on. It
> is hard to keep up with it all. While I do have a blog, I am not that
> fervent with keeping it up to date as I probably should be. And I
> don't even have Facebook or Twitter.
>
> About the way SignReader looks on my iPhone, I guess I should take
> some pictures for people to see. I'll do that along with some pictures
> of how my blog is looking on it as well. Kinda cool actually. ;-)
>
> Adam
>
> On Jun 6, 2009, at 7:56 AM, "Valerie Sutton" <sutton at signwriting.org>
> wrote:
>
>> SignWriting List
>> June 5, 2009
>>
>> Hello Kelly Jo!
>> Thank you for this message. It is always great to hear from you...It
>> would be amazing to have a flexible keyboard, I agree...
>>
>> And by the way, when Adam was working with me here in San Diego at
>> the end of May, he showed me his iPhone with SignWriting clearly
>> displayed beautifully on its tiny screen...it was such an amazing
>> experience to see the SignPuddle Reader and other web pages on the
>> iPhone...but even more amazing to realize how far we have come from
>> a technology perspective...I am grateful for SignPuddle, which has
>> helped us spread SignWriting on the internet, and on these tiny
>> handheld devices...
>>
>> I am also becoming painfully aware of how behind I am with all the
>> new technology...there was a time, when the internet was new for the
>> general public, when I was sort of "jumping ahead" with technology
>> and eagerly learning about new devices...that was back in the
>> 1990s...but then I got used to my computer as I knew it, and I have
>> not been keeping up with cell phones and handhelds...and blogging
>> and FaceBook etc...
>>
>> I also have never visited Twitter, nor have I ever received a
>> Tweet...smile...everyone is talking about Twitter and Tweets here,
>> and I decided that today I am going to learn about it...smile...
>>
>> Twitter
>> http://twitter.com/
>>
>> Are any of you on Twitter?
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> -----------
>>
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:21 PM, KJ wrote:
>>
>>> I'm really looking forward to being able to keyboard SW - and I
>>> love the idea of a flexible keyboard.  I'm not a programmer so I
>>> can't speak to how hard it would be, but I hope some flexibility
>>> could be built into it.
>>> KJ
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Charles Butler
>>> To: SignWriting List
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Keyboarding and updating old and new SW software
>>>
>>> I go back to the days of programmable macros for Lotus 1-2-3 and
>>> with a lot of preliminary thought on how it could be set up, a
>>> programmable macro would work for any particular language.  A
>>> flexible keyboard would be a challenge, but could be made using
>>> that principal, but would really have to be designed by a group of
>>> people working in that language.  Changing it on the fly constantly
>>> makes for a programming nightmare.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 6/4/09, MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt>
>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Keyboarding and updating old and new SW software
>>> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>> Cc: "Antonio Carlos da Rocha Costa" <rocha at atlas.ucpel.tche.br>
>>> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 3:23 AM
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Having a keyboard would be great. I remember using it MSDos.
>>> However what
>>> are the possibilties of having a keyboard where you could choose the
>>> symbols you need at hand. Where the user could assign keys
>>> depending on
>>> what he needs. Since different sign languages use different symbols
>>> (have
>>> different signwriting alphabets), every language, after identifying
>>> the
>>> most important symbols used, would be free to assign keys on the
>>> keyboard
>>> depending on the frequency of use. For e.g if in LSM I have not yet
>>> encounterd a sign with a handshape from Group 7: Ring Finger,
>>> therefore I
>>> would not need it on my keyboard and could leave this group out,
>>> and if
>>> say in Group 5, LSM only uses 7 handshapes in all - then all the
>>> others
>>> need not be assigned to the keyboard. And the same could be done
>>> for every
>>> sign language.
>>>
>>> Of course, I have absolutely no idea whether this can actually be
>>> done in
>>> technical terms. It's just an idea.
>>>
>>> Maria
>>>
>>>
>>> > SignWriting List
>>> > June 3, 2009
>>> >
>>> > Wow -
>>> > This is a good plan below, Steve -
>>> >
>>> > SignWriter Java, SignWriter Tiger, SignWriter Python and SWEdit
>>> (from
>>> > Brazil) all had promise and if we could revive and improve them,
>>> that
>>> > would be an amazing development...and to make keyboarding
>>> possible for
>>> > the ISWA 2008 in SignPuddle would be great as well...
>>> >
>>> > Meanwhile the drag and drop method works well and is easy to
>>> learn for
>>> > most people...so I hope we can keep that as well...
>>> >
>>> > SW Edit is still downloaded on the internet and used, so if that
>>> could
>>> > someday be coordinated with SignPuddle that would be used more...we
>>> > will need permission from the developers in Brazil...if we could
>>> > install the ISWA 2008 into SWEdit that would help as well...
>>> >
>>> > The idea of revamping all the SignWriter programs into one
>>> > consolidated SignWriter, possibly in Python, sounds good to me...
>>> The
>>> > old SignWriter Java program was so close, but it could never print,
>>> > and then time has gone by and now the symbolset is out of
>>> date...and
>>> > SignWriter Tiger by Daniel Noelpp Ly, is still on the web, and the
>>> > source code is available for download...It too was a beautiful
>>> program
>>> > that had great promise:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.signwriter.org/
>>> > http://www.signwriting.org/swiss/swtiger/
>>> >
>>> > Val ;-)
>>> >
>>> > -------------
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Andre,
>>> >>
>>> >> If not for time and money, we could have a keyboarding application
>>> >> right now.  The SignWriter keyboard design was updated to the IMWA
>>> >> but never implemented.   Other than time, it would be trivial to
>>> >> update the keyboarding specs for the ISWA 2008..
>>> >>
>>> >> After I finalize the first version of the open standards of
>>> >> SignWriting, SignWriter should be rewritten with the new symbol
>>> set
>>> >> and data model.  Maybe we can start with SignWriter Java or
>>> >> SignWriter Python, but I'm thinking that we'll have to start over.
>>> >> Perhaps someone could update SW Edit?  I heard it had promise.
>>> >>
>>> >> The new SignText will not initially use the SignWriter keyboard
>>> >> layout, but a layout inspired by the VI editor.  However, I'm
>>> hoping
>>> >> that SignPuddle will use a SignWriter style keyboard well before
>>> 2012.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> -Steve
>>> >>
>>> >> Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Steve and everyone,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>       Steve, I am just curious. Are you going to use (or
>>> develop) a
>>> >>> keyboard computer from SignPuddle for ISWA 2012?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>       Best regards,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>       André
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: Steve Slevinski
>>> >>> To: SignWriting List
>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 9:30 AM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] RE: Handshapes and systematic discussion
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi Charles,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Charles Butler wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> As we start getting photographs being laid side by side with the
>>> >>>> graphics that have been created, I think we are going to come
>>> to a
>>> >>>> MUCH BETTER consensus discussion and if that means that the ISWA
>>> >>>> has to be edited, then so much the better.  All of us can be
>>> >>>> consulted and come to a happy decision.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> If you want to start making notes for the ISWA 2012, please go
>>> >>> ahead.  Valerie and Adam are documenting the ISWA 2008 so
>>> you'll be
>>> >>> getting more and more information to work with.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The ISWA 2008 will not be changing.  I highly doubt the ISWA will
>>> >>> be revisited in the near future.  We have limited time and
>>> >>> resources and we are moving forward.  Your attitude reinforces
>>> the
>>> >>> idea that we are not ready for Unicode yet unless people accept
>>> the
>>> >>> idea that no writing system is perfect and that knowledge can be
>>> >>> gained by understanding the imperfections.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The ISWA 2008 was a labor of love.  We already had a formal
>>> review
>>> >>> and that review ended last year.  The ISWA 2008 is the current
>>> >>> standard for SignWriting.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> -Steve
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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