WG: AW: AW: [sw-l] movement in LIQUID

Stefan Wöhrmann stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE
Mon Mar 9 23:32:48 UTC 2009

Hi Valerie and friends, 


well - if I should vote for any spelling I have seen so far I would prefer
your Picture #6 - smile - 


>>From the readers point of view it provides as much information as needed -
so I would not want to miss any hands ... and it is not too much
detail-writing! The challenge is to present a spelling that allows the
competent reader to understand the idea of the scribe ...


And I agree Charles – once a sign is explained as a representation of a now
well known performance you would accept any simplification -  but that might
be the point – I would prefer a spelling that would not end up in a guessing
game. Movement Writing should allow us to describe the given performance as
accurate as possible. 


In addition to that - I am wondering - just in case you do not want to move
your hands to the right side but just let them do this wave once and again -
is there a chance to add any symbol that would say - "no travelling" - but
move your hands as a unit along this path but stay in place?


Thank you very much for this lesson!



Stefan ;-)






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Von: SignWriting [mailto:signwriting at mac.com]

Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 04:30

An: SignWriting List

Cc: Stefan Woehrmann

Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] movement in LIQUID


SignWriting List

March 8, 2009


On Mar 7, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

> What I am interested in is to proof that MovementWriting allows us to 

> describe even this kind of complex movement - and if so I would not 

> mind to look at a sequence of 4 or 8 signs that will indicate the 

> different "stills"

> that can be seen during the whole movement.


Hello Stefan!

I would feel very honored, if you would apply your Movement Writing skills,
or your SignWriting skills, to writing this movement for us, from your
perspective. How would you write this movement, based on the frames you see
in these photos? (see attached below)


I know you are very busy teaching, but when you have time it would be
wonderful to see your writing, not because we need to prove anything to
anyone, but because it will be good for the writing system to get your
input...I think all of the attempts so far, have highlighted different
aspects of the movement, but no one decision or final writing has been
established so far, and I think that is good, to keep discussing it from
different perspectives. One thing that I have learned over 35 years is that
people look at the same movement and see different things, and choose to
write different things, so "writing what you see" and also "writing what you
feel intuitively" is as complex as the human brain is...


The reason that SignWriting and Movement Writing have been used these

35 years is because we have remained flexible and open to these kinds of
discussions and new ideas...that is how SignWriting slowly went from
Receptive to Expressive, and from horizontal to vertical, and so many other
developments that happened one by one, step by step, through contact with
writers and an openness to suggestions...


And the goals of SignWriting and Movement Writing are somewhat
different...In SignWriting, it is my hope anyway, that we can find a way to
write sign languages on a daily basis that is detailed enough to make it
possible to read every sign, but simple enough to make reading fun and
easy...that is a hard balance to find, where Movement Writing, which is
mostly for research, can be very very detailed...but that is also why it is
not used on a daily basis...


So if you wish to write it from a Movement Writing perspective, or a
SignWriting perspective...both are very welcome and will give us much to
discuss and think about!


Many thanks for your nice message -


See attached...



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