WG: AW: AW: [sw-l] movement in LIQUID

Tue Mar 10 00:05:25 UTC 2009

Ha! I like the long arrow, Charles!

Val ;-)

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On Mar 9, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Hmm.  Looking at number 6 I'd only add the wrist flex line to ensure  
> that the whole sequence stays in the only place and repeats itself.   
> It's the repeat that's a challenge.
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> I put all the curves into a single line with a hold-in-place wrist.   
> That looks clearer to me.
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> From: Stefan W?hrmann <stefanwoehrmann at gebaerdenschrift.de>
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 7:32:48 PM
> Subject: WG: AW: AW: [sw-l] movement in LIQUID
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> Hi Valerie and friends,
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> well - if I should vote for any spelling I have seen so far I would  
> prefer your Picture #6 - smile -
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> From the readers point of view it provides as much information as  
> needed - so I would not want to miss any hands ... and it is not too  
> much detail-writing! The challenge is to present a spelling that  
> allows the competent reader to understand the idea of the scribe ...
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> And I agree Charles ? once a sign is explained as a representation  
> of a now well known performance you would accept any simplification  
> -  but that might be the point ? I would prefer a spelling that  
> would not end up in a guessing game. Movement Writing should allow  
> us to describe the given performance as accurate as possible.
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> In addition to that - I am wondering - just in case you do not want  
> to move your hands to the right side but just let them do this wave  
> once and again -   is there a chance to add any symbol that would  
> say - "no travelling" - but move your hands as a unit along this  
> path but stay in place?
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> Thank you very much for this lesson!
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> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: SignWriting [mailto:signwriting at mac.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 04:30
> An: SignWriting List
> Cc: Stefan Woehrmann
> Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] movement in LIQUID
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> SignWriting List
> March 8, 2009
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> On Mar 7, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Stefan W?hrmann wrote:
> > What I am interested in is to proof that MovementWriting allows us  
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> > describe even this kind of complex movement - and if so I would not
> > mind to look at a sequence of 4 or 8 signs that will indicate the
> > different "stills"
> > that can be seen during the whole movement.
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> Hello Stefan!
> I would feel very honored, if you would apply your Movement Writing  
> skills, or your SignWriting skills, to writing this movement for us,  
> from your perspective. How would you write this movement, based on  
> the frames you see in these photos? (see attached below)
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> I know you are very busy teaching, but when you have time it would  
> be wonderful to see your writing, not because we need to prove  
> anything to anyone, but because it will be good for the writing  
> system to get your input...I think all of the attempts so far, have  
> highlighted different aspects of the movement, but no one decision  
> or final writing has been established so far, and I think that is  
> good, to keep discussing it from different perspectives. One thing  
> that I have learned over 35 years is that people look at the same  
> movement and see different things, and choose to write different  
> things, so "writing what you see" and also "writing what you feel  
> intuitively" is as complex as the human brain is...
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> The reason that SignWriting and Movement Writing have been used these
> 35 years is because we have remained flexible and open to these  
> kinds of discussions and new ideas...that is how SignWriting slowly  
> went from Receptive to Expressive, and from horizontal to vertical,  
> and so many other developments that happened one by one, step by  
> step, through contact with writers and an openness to suggestions...
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> And the goals of SignWriting and Movement Writing are somewhat  
> different...In SignWriting, it is my hope anyway, that we can find a  
> way to write sign languages on a daily basis that is detailed enough  
> to make it possible to read every sign, but simple enough to make  
> reading fun and easy...that is a hard balance to find, where  
> Movement Writing, which is mostly for research, can be very very  
> detailed...but that is also why it is not used on a daily basis...
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> So if you wish to write it from a Movement Writing perspective, or a  
> SignWriting perspective...both are very welcome and will give us  
> much to discuss and think about!
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> Many thanks for your nice message -
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> See attached...
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