AW: Manchester

Wed May 20 09:52:37 UTC 2009

Hi all,

Alison, could you introduce yourself please? ...  ;)
You could very well be the start of full-fledged signwriting in the UK.

Maria

> SignWriting List
> May 19, 2009
>
> Hello Everyone in the UK, and Stefan!
>
> Thank you for this discussion...
>
> I hope you all will start adding these signs to your British Sign
> Language Puddles...
>
> BSL SignPuddles
> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index4.html#sgn-GB
>
> I see the sign for Manchester has been added to the BSL
> dictionary...smile...
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
>
>
> On May 19, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Suzanne pach <Suzanne at bordvoorjekop.nl
>> > wrote:
>> I would go for variation A, but I only just gained my BSL
>> level 1 certification, so I might not be the best person
>> to ask.. :)
>>
>> My SW skills are very very very rusty these days but I'm not sure
>> that the SW variants are correct. The .M. has the non-dominant hand
>> (effectively) parallel to the floor. But the .C. is (effectivley)
>> parallel to the wall.So SW variants B and C would be incorrect.
>> There is no semantic difference, in this name sign, between the use
>> of single .C. and the full .C. so the pictures for SW Variants A and
>> C are both okay.
>>
>> PS Well done Suzanne on getting BSL Level 1. I'm studying for Level
>> 3 at the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good Luck!
>>
>> Suzanne
>>
>> PS Talking about Manchester makes me think of the
>> SW-project that maybe was going to take place around
>> Manchester, but that couldn't get started yet because of
>> the (lack of) funding. Have there been any new
>> developments lately?
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi Stefan,
>> > The non-dominant hand in M is parallel to the floor and
>> > the C hand in the
>> > sign MANCHESTER is a full hand.
>> > I think that would be the M from 'Variation A' and the C
>> > from 'Variation C'
>> > ??
>> > Although as you can see the examples you have found
>> > online, the hanshape of
>> > the dominanthand (left hand) varies.
>> > The citation form would look like I have described above
>> > but this changes
>> > when found in a phrase.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Alison
>> >
>> > 2009/5/18 Stefan Wï¿½hrmann <stefanwoehrmann at googlemail.com>
>> >
>> >>  Hi Alison, Trevor ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> this is terriffic
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you soo much for your quick answer.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well now ï¿½ signwriters are the sharp-eye signers ï¿½ smile
>> >> . I looked up
>> >> various sources and there are quite obvious differences
>> >> in the performance
>> >> of the two ï¿½lettersï¿½  It is not easy to express all
>> >> information for the
>> >> parameters in a drawing ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Can you give your feedback once more?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Stefan ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Variation A:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.deafsign.com/ds/fingerspell/fs_b2h_trans.cfm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Variation B:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.aspexdesign.co.uk/bsl.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Both hands parallel to the floor
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Variation C:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.deafblind.com/deafsign.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Both hands parallel to the wall
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So can you tell me
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> *Von:* alisonvere at gmail.com
>> >> [mailto:alisonvere at gmail.com]
>> >> *Gesendet:* Montag, 18. Mai 2009 16:43
>> >> *An:* stefanwoehrmann at googlemail.com
>> >> *Betreff:* SW: Manchester
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear Stefan,
>> >>
>> >> I am very new to the idea of signwriting and am still
>> >> learning the basics.
>> >>
>> >> The sign for Manchester used in Manchester by Deaf
>> >> people is M-C from the
>> >> BSL 2-handed fingerspelling alphabet produced in neutral
>> >> space.
>> >>
>> >> Here is my attempt at signwriting it...
>> >>
>> >> Best wishes,
>> >>
>> >> Alison
>> >>  ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Load message into
>> >> SignText<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/signtext/signtext.html?list=01-05-012-01-04-08,95,163,01-06-005-01-06-02,119,171,02-01-001-01-01-01,105,170,01-05-029-02-02-01,155,153,,0%0d%0a%0D%0A
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Courtesy of SignBank.org <http://www.signbank.org/>
>> >>
>> >> 442c1d694addc2db5402c2aea534f2a2 =
>> >> 442c1d694addc2db5402c2aea534f2a2
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> > --
>> > Alison Vere
>> > alisonvere at gmail.com
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>> > +356 79931258
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>> Regards, Trevor.
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