heel view not best term.

Sat May 30 12:07:32 UTC 2009

In Norwegian, the 'vrist' is on top of the foot - the 'hel' is where the English 'heel' is on the foot, but we do not have a word to describe the 'heel of the hand'

Languages are wierd ...

Ingvild 

From: icemandeaf at gmail.com
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Re: heel view not best term.
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:33:58 -0700

I can see your point, but I can see problems with "wrist" view as well. The wrist can be viewed from any directions where as the heel of the hand is very specific. Yes, it is actually called the heel of the hand. This is from the dictionary right after the definition given about the heel as being on the foot. "the part of the palm of the hand next to the wrist"
It is interesting that the wrist on the foot is called the ankle, but the heel is the same for both the foot and the hand. You've gotta love English. Ha!
So I agree that it might not be the best term as it causes confusion, but so does every other word. That is the reason that Val and I have been working on getting images of all of the hands. We are getting them done slowly, but surely. ;-)
Adam On May 29, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Charles Butler wrote:As "heel" is a part of the foot, I'd suggest using "wrist" view instead, it states what angle you are looking at, essentially straight forward at the wrist, not up from the "heel" of the foot.  I know we've called it "heel" for a while, but it is confusing, and wrist is unambiguous.

Charles Butler

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Sign for SignPuddle
To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 11:18 PM

No, heel view is looking at the heel of the hand as if the wrist were cut off.  So you see a rectangle that can be split in half to show which side is the back of the hand.  The view is useful for showing boat and house because the hands are a 45 degree angle and pointed forward, which SW does not easily show on the wall plane.  

--- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ronald Dettloff <signpreach at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Ronald Dettloff <signpreach at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Sign for SignPuddle
To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 11:53 AM

Does heel view mean looking from the floor up?
 Rev.. Ronald H.. Dettloff, 20880 Ten Mile Road, St. Clair Shores, MI 48080Other Web links:          http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/Audiences/Default.asp 

From: Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12:52 PM
Subject: [sw-l] Sign for SignPuddle

I am in San Diego with Valerie doing various work. We were talking about a sign for SignPuddle in ASL, and I came up with two versions of writing the same sign. Essentially it mean to throw signs together in one place. I felt that was more accurate to what SignPuddle means than to say an actual rain puddle since the meaning here is more a collecting of signs rather than raindrops into a puddle. Now the reason for the two versions is because I wanted to try out how it reads with the top view verses the heel view. I personally like the look and feel of the heel view. What do you all think? Here are the two versions, first with the second part of the sign in top view and then in heel view. Or you can go to SignPuddle and find them at http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=10105,10106&search=signpuddle&type=any
Adam

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