heel view not best term.

Sat May 30 14:09:02 UTC 2009

SignWriting List
May 30, 2009

Smile...

In English:

...the ankle is a joint that connects the heel of the foot (the end  
part of the foot) to the leg.

and...

...the wrist is the joint that connects the heel of the hand (the end  
part of the hand) to the arm.

So the wrist and ankles are not the "heel"....the wrist and ankles are  
joints, that can do rotation and flexing.

But the view of the heel of the foot or hand is seeing the end of the  
foot or the end of the hand...looking past the wrist and seeing the  
bump at the end of the hand

The heel of the hand is between the palm of the hand and the wrist...

The heel of the foot is between the arch of the foot and the ankle...

But enough with the English language! What matters is that we have  
choices when we write in SignWriting...

Have a great day everyone!

Val ;-)

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On May 30, 2009, at 5:07 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:

> In Norwegian, the 'vrist' is on top of the foot - the 'hel' is where  
> the English 'heel' is on the foot, but we do not have a word to  
> describe the 'heel of the hand'
>
> Languages are wierd ...
>
> Ingvild
>
>
>
> From: icemandeaf at gmail.com
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Re: heel view not best term.
> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 20:33:58 -0700
>
> I can see your point, but I can see problems with "wrist" view as  
> well. The wrist can be viewed from any directions where as the heel  
> of the hand is very specific. Yes, it is actually called the heel of  
> the hand. This is from the dictionary right after the definition  
> given about the heel as being on the foot. "the part of the palm of  
> the hand next to the wrist"
>
> It is interesting that the wrist on the foot is called the ankle,  
> but the heel is the same for both the foot and the hand. You've  
> gotta love English. Ha!
>
> So I agree that it might not be the best term as it causes  
> confusion, but so does every other word. That is the reason that Val  
> and I have been working on getting images of all of the hands. We  
> are getting them done slowly, but surely. ;-)
>
> Adam
>
> On May 29, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
>
> As "heel" is a part of the foot, I'd suggest using "wrist" view  
> instead, it states what angle you are looking at, essentially  
> straight forward at the wrist, not up from the "heel" of the foot.   
> I know we've called it "heel" for a while, but it is confusing, and  
> wrist is unambiguous.
>
> Charles Butler
>
> --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Sign for SignPuddle
> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 11:18 PM
>
> No, heel view is looking at the heel of the hand as if the wrist  
> were cut off.  So you see a rectangle that can be split in half to  
> show which side is the back of the hand.  The view is useful for  
> showing boat and house because the hands are a 45 degree angle and  
> pointed forward, which SW does not easily show on the wall plane.
>
> --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Ronald Dettloff <signpreach at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> From: Ronald Dettloff <signpreach at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Sign for SignPuddle
> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 11:53 AM
>
> Does heel view mean looking from the floor up?
>
> Rev.. Ronald H.. Dettloff, 20880 Ten Mile Road, St. Clair Shores, MI  
> 48080
> Other Web links:          http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/Audiences/Default.asp
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>
> From: Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
> To: SignWriting List <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12:52 PM
> Subject: [sw-l] Sign for SignPuddle
>
> I am in San Diego with Valerie doing various work. We were talking  
> about a sign for SignPuddle in ASL, and I came up with two versions  
> of writing the same sign. Essentially it mean to throw signs  
> together in one place. I felt that was more accurate to what  
> SignPuddle means than to say an actual rain puddle since the meaning  
> here is more a collecting of signs rather than raindrops into a  
> puddle. Now the reason for the two versions is because I wanted to  
> try out how it reads with the top view verses the heel view. I  
> personally like the look and feel of the heel view. What do you all  
> think? Here are the two versions, first with the second part of the  
> sign in top view and then in heel view. Or you can go to SignPuddle  
> and find them at http://www.signbank.org/SignPuddle1.5/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=10105,10106&search=signpuddle&type=any
>
> Adam
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