receptive vs. expressive - history?

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Maybe, but is it SignWriting ...
Thanks,
      GerardM

2009/10/21 Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>

> When I taught in Brazil it was expressive writing.  I corrected anyone in
> the class who was writing my demonstration hands.  However, the fact that
> human movement can be written either way is incontrovertible.  The fact that
> when one is copying the movement of a teacher that one internalizes the
> movement to express it helps to get that point across.
> Write what you see has a step of "internalize the movement" so that left is
> left and right is right.  That is a step in itself.
>
> Charles Butler
>
> --- On *Wed, 10/21/09, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] receptive vs. expressive - history?
> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:38 AM
>
>
> Hoi,
> When you teach the SignWriting of ASL, you do your students a disservice
> when you teach them the receptive view. When you transscribe a sign language
> and you use the receptive view AND you use SignWriting you place an
> unreasonable burden on the people who have to make use of your
> transscriptions. It is similar to writing English from right to left.
>
> The issue with standards is that they are there for everyone. For
> SignWriting to be accepted, it is vital that the conventions, the standards
> used with the script are complied with by everyone.
> Thanks,
>       Gerard
>
> 2009/10/21 Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=chazzer3332000@yahoo.com>
> >
>
>>  For me, I learned receptive first, so it was literally "write what you
>> see" when you are seeing someone else's hands.  Then when they switched, I
>> considered it an extension.  I just teach "write what you see".  Then
>> receptive is for transcribing something brand new if you don't know the
>> meaning, and then expressive when you have moved it to your own hands.
>>  Expressive has become the standard for the dictionaries and most usage.
>>  Dance writing is still, apparently, receptive.  It took me hours to
>> transcribe video tape because I think to write what someone else is doing,
>> and then reverse it to my hands is the challenge.
>> Charles
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 10/20/09, MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt<http://mc/compose?to=maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: MARIA AZZOPARDI <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt<http://mc/compose?to=maria.azzopardi@um.edu.mt>
>> >
>> Subject: [sw-l] receptive vs. expressive - history?
>> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu<http://mc/compose?to=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>> >
>> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 5:13 PM
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was wondering what to do with the receptive and expressive view points,
>> when teaching signwriting.
>>
>> As teachers of signwriting, would you include this explanation - or would
>> presenting the two possibilities create a problem that might not be there.
>>
>> I've found that when I explain how to signwrite the different orientations
>> I explain the 'expressive viewpt' and never include the receptive view, so
>> as not to 'teach' them something that I will later have to unteach.
>>
>> do you find that explaining the expressive view and leaving out the
>> 'receptive' writing, acceptable?
>>
>> thanks
>> Maria
>>
>>
>>
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