SW-L Digest, Vol 27, Issue 65

Thu Oct 22 22:36:35 UTC 2009

Wow, Stefan! It's really interesting to see the excerpt written with the
mouthing! Thanks for doing that!
Best,
Erika

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>   1. Re: Nepali Sign Language article using SignWriting/SSW visit
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>   2. AW: [sw-l] Nepali Sign Language article using SignWriting/SSW
>      visit (Stefan W?hrmann)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Charles Butler" <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Nepali Sign Language article using SignWriting/SSW
> visit
> I have no problem reading your writing.
>
> Charles Butler
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/22/09, Erika Hoffmann <erhoffma at oberlin.edu>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Erika Hoffmann <erhoffma at oberlin.edu>
> Subject: [sw-l] Nepali Sign Language article using SignWriting/SSW visit
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 3:18 PM
>
> Hello again - sorry for the brief silence. I'm at a new job so I have
> a new email and needed to update my membership in the list.
>
> In reply to my last message Val asked: And what about your actual
> Nepali Sign Language writing? Do you have any samples? I notice we do
> not have a Nepali SignPuddle and I am really surprised...how did you
> write your documents?"
>
> I'm not sure if  my project works well with Puddles because I'm not
> trying to document NSL per se, or create dictionary listings. Rather,
> I've been using SSW to create transcripts of conversational
> interactions - so in order to reflect the formal properties of what's
> going on I can't use citation forms. I used the signwriting tool on
> the website to create my transcripts.
>
> At Stefan's suggestion I'm passing along some material I sent him last
> week. I've attached a pdf of an article I've written for the Journal
> of Linguistic Anthropology. I'm also sending a link to the journal's
> web page, where I've also got video (re-enacted for the privacy of my
> participants) and SSW transcripts to supplement the English glosses in
> the print journal.
> I'm sure you will find many errors in my Signwriting, but I had to
> work quickly with the editor to arrange for this special supplement.
> Also, you'll note that I am writing from the receptive rather than
> productive viewpoint. I agree that writing from the productive
> viewpoint is preferable, but the receptive viewpoint is more in
> keeping with the way that data would be presented in this journal. It
> has been quite difficult to work with traditional journal formats to
> get the SSW transcripts included, but I think it's extremely
> important. One thing I was quite pleased about is that, in the actual
> journal text, the SSW for the lexical items appears on the same line
> as the English glosses, rather than on the same plane as the
> illustrations from the NSL dictionary, which helps with readers'
> ability to see that the SSW is writing and not an illustration.
>
> http://linguisticanthropology.org/web-enhanced-articles/web-enhanced-article-metasemiotic-regimentation-in-the-standardization-of-nepali-sign-language/
>
> As you will see from the errors I have surely made in my transcripts,
> I would benefit from visiting some more experienced SignWriters, not
> only in order to bolster my ability to write about SSW but also to use
> it well. I received a very short training from James Shepard in 2003,
> but since then I have been working with it on my own (with occasional
> questions for the list). Therefore the seminar Val mentioned before is
> something I would be very interested in attending!
> And thank you Val for the suggestions about places and people I might
> visit.
>
> Best,
> Erika
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Stefan Wöhrmann" <stefanwoehrmann at gebaerdenschrift.de>
> To: "'SignWriting List'" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:27:47 +0200
> Subject: AW: [sw-l] Nepali Sign Language article using SignWriting/SSW
> visit
> Hi Erika and listmembers,
>
> thanks for this message.
>
> As I mentioned before- I spent several hours to study your article and your
> videos. It has been so fascinating to look carefully at the videos and to
> learn more about this confusion that can be result from different
> "messages"
> coming from the "manual SL channel" and the "spoken word" channel ...
>
> It has been so much fun to understand the reason for the "grass" answer of
> the student. ...
>
> I sat down to transcribe this second video including "Mundbilder".
> Especially this kind of "performance" is an interesting challenge for this
> kind of transcription. I wrote this document with the good old SignWriter
> 4.4
>
> All the best
>
> Stefan ;-)
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Erika
> Hoffmann
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Oktober 2009 21:19
> An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Betreff: [sw-l] Nepali Sign Language article using SignWriting/SSW visit
>
> Hello again - sorry for the brief silence. I'm at a new job so I have
> a new email and needed to update my membership in the list.
>
> In reply to my last message Val asked: And what about your actual
> Nepali Sign Language writing? Do you have any samples? I notice we do
> not have a Nepali SignPuddle and I am really surprised...how did you
> write your documents?"
>
> I'm not sure if  my project works well with Puddles because I'm not
> trying to document NSL per se, or create dictionary listings. Rather,
> I've been using SSW to create transcripts of conversational
> interactions - so in order to reflect the formal properties of what's
> going on I can't use citation forms. I used the signwriting tool on
> the website to create my transcripts.
>
> At Stefan's suggestion I'm passing along some material I sent him last
> week. I've attached a pdf of an article I've written for the Journal
> of Linguistic Anthropology. I'm also sending a link to the journal's
> web page, where I've also got video (re-enacted for the privacy of my
> participants) and SSW transcripts to supplement the English glosses in
> the print journal.
> I'm sure you will find many errors in my Signwriting, but I had to
> work quickly with the editor to arrange for this special supplement.
> Also, you'll note that I am writing from the receptive rather than
> productive viewpoint. I agree that writing from the productive
> viewpoint is preferable, but the receptive viewpoint is more in
> keeping with the way that data would be presented in this journal. It
> has been quite difficult to work with traditional journal formats to
> get the SSW transcripts included, but I think it's extremely
> important. One thing I was quite pleased about is that, in the actual
> journal text, the SSW for the lexical items appears on the same line
> as the English glosses, rather than on the same plane as the
> illustrations from the NSL dictionary, which helps with readers'
> ability to see that the SSW is writing and not an illustration.
>
> http://linguisticanthropology.org/web-enhanced-articles/web-enhanced-article
> -metasemiotic-regimentation-in-the-standardization-of-nepali-sign-language/<http://linguisticanthropology.org/web-enhanced-articles/web-enhanced-article%0A-metasemiotic-regimentation-in-the-standardization-of-nepali-sign-language/>
>
> As you will see from the errors I have surely made in my transcripts,
> I would benefit from visiting some more experienced SignWriters, not
> only in order to bolster my ability to write about SSW but also to use
> it well. I received a very short training from James Shepard in 2003,
> but since then I have been working with it on my own (with occasional
> questions for the list). Therefore the seminar Val mentioned before is
> something I would be very interested in attending!
> And thank you Val for the suggestions about places and people I might
> visit.
>
> Best,
> Erika
>
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