more handshape orientations

[Ingvild Roald]

I agree that there could not be more shades in the ordinary handshape symbol groups. But for research, maybe something extra could be provided in the group 30, the one which is used for special sorting needs etc.? I am thinking of simple lines or triangles ('wedges') that could be added for this spesific purpose?

Ingvild 




> From: sutton at signwriting.org
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] more handshape orientations
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:13:57 -0700
> 
> SignWriting List
> September 3, 2009
> 
> Hello Honza and Charles!
> Thank you for the question and thanks too, Charles, for the answer,  
> which is exactly what I was going to say too ;-))
> 
> Honza, I realize that you need the information for precise research,  
> which is a rare and specific need...
> 
> Because the need for in-between palm facings, other than the 6 we  
> already have, is sooo rare, we decided very purposefully not to add  
> more palm facings that the basic 6 we already have...because once you  
> add the basic 8 rotations and all the flops, we have 96 versions of  
> the same symbol, and it becomes overwhelming for most users...so for  
> everyday use...no we cannot.
> 
> And Charles is right that even though we can do partial shading and  
> other techniques, it is hard to read the partial shading and some  
> people assume it is one of the other basic 6 palm facings, so our  
> attempts at 45 degree palm facings never worked for us...
> 
> Maybe, if you are doing special computer programming, you can program  
> in the information in another way for your database? Because we do not  
> have the 45 degree palm facings written in SignWriting...
> 
> Hope it works out for you...
> 
> Val ;-)
> 
> ------
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
> 
> > Honza,
> >
> > Speaking practically,
> >
> > The only way that I could see more orientations being at all  
> > feasible is to have them created by a graphics program, but for  
> > practical writing reasons, having more than the 96 one has now would  
> > make the writing impossible to ever put in a dictionary.  For  
> > animation, one can subdivide to infinity, but for ordinary writing,  
> > with any handshapes other than a flat hand, it's very hard to  
> > actually distinguish other orientations.  All you use as a visual  
> > cue is a small oblong area with various shadings.
> >
> > Charles Butler
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Honza <honza at ruce.cz> wrote:
> >
> > From: Honza <honza at ruce.cz>
> > Subject: [sw-l] more handshape orientations
> > To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> > Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 4:41 AM
> >
> > Hi Val,
> >
> > I like to ask if it in the future will be possible to have all 45°
> > rotations of handshapes instead of current 90°
> > I know it is possible to do it, and there are some symbols including
> > this additional four 45° rotations, but it is suitable for "reader
> > purpose only".
> > But I need to use SignWriting for more processing and current solution
> > is not suitable.
> > anyway without this "additional oriantations" writing is not always
> > precious enought.
> >
> > thanks
> > Honza
> >
> >
> >
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