more handshape orientations

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
September 3, 2009

Hello Honza and Charles!
Thank you for the question and thanks too, Charles, for the answer,  
which is exactly what I was going to say too ;-))

Honza, I realize that you need the information for precise research,  
which is a rare and specific need...

Because the need for in-between palm facings, other than the 6 we  
already have, is sooo rare, we decided very purposefully not to add  
more palm facings that the basic 6 we already have...because once you  
add the basic 8 rotations and all the flops, we have 96 versions of  
the same symbol, and it becomes overwhelming for most users...so for  
everyday use...no we cannot.

And Charles is right that even though we can do partial shading and  
other techniques, it is hard to read the partial shading and some  
people assume it is one of the other basic 6 palm facings, so our  
attempts at 45 degree palm facings never worked for us...

Maybe, if you are doing special computer programming, you can program  
in the information in another way for your database? Because we do not  
have the 45 degree palm facings written in SignWriting...

Hope it works out for you...

Val ;-)

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On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:33 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Honza,
>
> Speaking practically,
>
> The only way that I could see more orientations being at all  
> feasible is to have them created by a graphics program, but for  
> practical writing reasons, having more than the 96 one has now would  
> make the writing impossible to ever put in a dictionary.  For  
> animation, one can subdivide to infinity, but for ordinary writing,  
> with any handshapes other than a flat hand, it's very hard to  
> actually distinguish other orientations.  All you use as a visual  
> cue is a small oblong area with various shadings.
>
> Charles Butler
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Honza <honza at ruce.cz> wrote:
>
> From: Honza <honza at ruce.cz>
> Subject: [sw-l] more handshape orientations
> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 4:41 AM
>
> Hi Val,
>
> I like to ask if it in the future will be possible to have all 45°
> rotations of handshapes instead of current 90°
> I know it is possible to do it, and there are some symbols including
> this additional four 45° rotations, but it is suitable for "reader
> purpose only".
> But I need to use SignWriting for more processing and current solution
> is not suitable.
> anyway without this "additional oriantations" writing is not always
> precious enought.
>
> thanks
> Honza
>
>
>
>
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