more handshape orientations

Ingvild Roald iroald at HOTMAIL.COM
Wed Sep 9 18:50:51 UTC 2009


Thank you, this may solve the problem as I see it. Even if the general public would never see these symbols, the would show up in the spelling of the sign, and therefore be avaylable to the researcher. Sorry I was aware of how much detail is already awailable this way ;)

Ingvild 




> From: sutton at signwriting.org
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] more handshape orientations
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:45:00 -0700
> 
> SignWriting List
> September 9, 2009
> 
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:
> > I agree that there could not be more shades in the ordinary  
> > handshape symbol groups. But for research, maybe something extra  
> > could be provided in the group 30, the one which is used for special  
> > sorting needs etc.? I am thinking of simple lines or triangles  
> > ('wedges') that could be added for this spesific purpose?
> > Ingvild
> 
> Hello Ingvild!
> Great to hear from you, and thank you for this idea...I can see that  
> has some possibilities for the future...
> 
> It certainly could be possible in a future version of the ISWA. But  
> the current symbolset that we have, the ISWA 2008, cannot be changed  
> or added on to because it is already installed in SignPuddle...maybe  
> in a few years we can talk about a new ISWA...
> 
> In the ISWA 2008, Group 30 provides symbols for detailed location, and  
> also depth in space, and height and width of signs, to give more  
> details for looking up signs sorted by the symbols in  
> SignWriting...sorted by the SSS (Sign-Symbol-Sequence). But we do not  
> write with these detailed symbols in Group 30...we only sort with them  
> when we have very large dictionaries where the details are helpful to  
> determine which sign should come first and second in a group of signs  
> in a dictionary. So Group 30 doesn't change the writing...only the  
> sorting...
> 
> I believe Honza wanted more detailed palm facing for writing? Or have  
> I misunderstood, Honza?...If it is only for sorting later then I think  
> Ingvild's idea could be done with a simple numeric 45 degree marker of  
> some kind that the general public would never see...
> 
> Here is an example of some of the detailed Location Symbols for the  
> fingers and hand in Group 30 in ISWA 2008...see attached:
> 
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