SWML site

[Charles Butler]

In a dictionary lookup, I would think that the Sign Symbol Sequence would be invaluable.  That is where detailed information is needed.  In everyday handwriting of a spoken language, you use only the features necessary to distinguish one word from another, and in Sign, it is one sign from another, the Sign Symbol Sequence is a sorting program, just as the Roman, or Arabic, or Hebrew alphabet has a set symbol sequence to find a particular ward.  

Linguists are looking for a categorization way, and SignWriting has developed its 10 groups of characteristics to divide a given sign into categories.  Group 10 gives fine motor distinctions which may not often be needed, but speed and manner are just as much a part of sign as a handshape.  I can think of two signs in LIBRAS that differ only in speed and manner and in handwriting would have to be distinguished.

confusão
confusion confusão; confusion       
complicado complicated     
Complicado is quick, confusion is slow, otherwise they are the same handshape and the same movement.  

I am very glad that we are putting together a Linguistic program - SignTyp with SignWriting to show what characteristics are describable in a given sign "utterance" that linguists, until now, are saying are "too complicated" to note on paper.  





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From: Ingvild Roald <iroald at hotmail.com>
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 7:40:25 AM
Subject: RE: [sw-l] SWML site

 Of course  I thought of the group 30 (the very last one)

I have no example at the moment, and I would certainly not use these symbols in ordinary writing - but it might be that to clearify a spesific point it would not be enough to have the symbol in the spelling sequence - like which hand is where at what time. I am thinking specifically of real Deaf storytelling, where the movements of hands, eyes, brows, head, neck, ... all hangs together to tell the strory. As a tool to analyze this, to make it appear on paper rather than just on video, I think that SignWriting would make a great tool - even if I am not a lingusit myself. The reasons I get from sign linguists for not using SW, is partly that signing is too rich, and therefore cannot be put on paper. But this makes real research hard and the resuls hard to justify - other languages are put to paper and extra symbols are used to show pitch, speed, emphasis, unusuall pronounciation etc, symbols that are not used in the everyday writing of said language (or of
 any language). 

Ingvild 



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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:28:10 -0600
From: slevin at signpuddle.net
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Subject: Re: [sw-l] SWML site

Hi Ingvild,

Do you want to use the sorting symbols in the Spatial SignSpelling
rather than the SignSpelling Sequence?  Can you show an example?

In talking with Val, we agreed that the sorting symbols were for extra
detail in the sequence for sorting and should not be used in the
spelling meant for reading.

We can look at SymbolGroup 30 to help discuss this issue.
http://signbank.org/swis/iswa/60832_sg.html

Regards,
-Steve


Ingvild Roald wrote: 
Hi
>Steve,
>
>>I am into another project: I will write a paper on how SignWriting can
>be used for research. For this I will propose that the sorting symbols
>can be used when more detail is needed than would normally be used in
>everyday writing. So even if I fully agree that these symbols (group
>10) should not be used in normal litterature or in the dictionary
>lookup (exept as an addition, to mark a distinction from another,
>almost similar sign), they may give linguists needed tools for writing
>exactly what is signed, as a basis for analyzing. Do you disagree on
>this?
>
>>Ingvild 
>
>
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