question for the way to express 'made'

Fri Jan 8 09:16:54 UTC 2010

Sandy,
BSL is very close to LSM - in fact the three ways of expressing PAST
indicated by Shane - is exactly the same for LSM (interesting eh!).

I think it's a very good idea to write rules for verbs in BSL using
Signwriting - you could always do a first version - and then improve upon
that if need be - I don't think ANYONE is 'qualified' enough - we are all
learning here.

If you do a video recording of the BSL signing of the verbs, then the List
may also give suggestions on how to signwrite and help you along. I would
try to help you, as I'm actually working on a similar project on verbs at
the moment for LSM.

Good luck,
Maria

> I'd agree with Trevor's grammar here:
>
> PAST FOOD COOK (hold with aspect) FINISHED.
>
> "PAST" is the time marker (there's no actual tense in BSL) and generally
> comes in the narrative before the things that happen at that time
>
> "FINISHED" (or "BEEN") is the perfective aspect, and follows the verb
> (though not all aspect is handled this way).
>
> But Shane's:
>
> FOOD COOK PAST
>
> isn't wrong, it just needs support from non-manual features, as he
> points out. To me it gives a different emphasis, more on WHEN the food
> was cooked, rather than the actual cooking.
>
> Does anyone perceive any semantic difference between:
>
> FOOD COOK FINISHED
>
> and:
>
> FOOD COOK BEEN
>
> in BSL? You'd think that "FINISHED" would have more of an achievement
> associated with it but it seems to me that this connotation is lost in
> using it as a perfective.
>
> I would love to write some grammar rules for SignWriting BSL: that sort
> of thing would help people to write with more confidence, I think, but I
> don't really feel qualified.
>
> Sandy
>
> On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 22:20 +0000, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
>> Hi Shane,
>>
>> Interesting. I'd put that BSL time marker earlier. Something like
>>
>> PAST FOOD COOK (hold with aspect) FINISHED.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Shane Gilchrist
>> <shane.gilchrist.oheorpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Gan,
>> >
>> > we dont really have past tenses in the same sense as the English
>> > language - for instance, in BSL (using glosses - sorry!)
>> >
>> > I made food:
>> >
>> > - FOOD COOK^nodding
>> > - FOOD COOK PAST
>> > - FOOD COOK FINISHED!
>> >
>> > non-manual features are very important here.
>> >
>> > Shane
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/1/6 Gan  Lu <glu at uclan.ac.uk>:
>> >> Hi Charles;
>> >>
>> >>   Thanks for the comment. So do you reckon the past tense is
>> necessary here? And if we use "create". should it be 'Created'
>> then?
>> >>
>> >>  Thanks
>> >>  Gan
>> >>
>> >>>>> "Charles Butler" <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> 06/01/10 1:54 PM >>>
>> >> Hmm.  In context the sign, I would think would be either "make" or
>> "create".  The tense is carried by the situation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> create
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: Gan Lu <glu at uclan.ac.uk>
>> >> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> >> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:05:15 AM
>> >> Subject: [sw-l] question for the way to express 'made'
>> >>
>> >> Dear Adam and Valerie;
>> >>
>> >>   I'm implementing the system now. While I have a question:
>> >>
>> >>     why can't we use an ASL gesture to express the meaning of 'made'
>> on the first page of the 'Frosty the Snow Man', other than using
>> the FingerSpellings to sign these four letters respectively?
>> >>
>> >>     I suppose the reason is because the word 'made' is a past tense,
>> and there is no ASL for it.
>> >>
>> >>  The reason I'm asking is my intention is to implement the first page
>> as a 4-by-4 output pattern, which are 16 sign-boxes in total
>> includes those punctuations. So I'm looking for a way to squeeze the
>> word 'made' into a box.
>> >>
>> >>  Thanks
>> >> Gan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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