Grammar rules

Sat Jan 9 12:23:37 UTC 2010

Hi Jonathan-
Yes! it's what I'm doing right now for Maltese Sign Language. We have no
published works on the grammatical rules of LSM (only two dissertations
-that I carried out - and of course I couldn't describe the whole
grammatical system).

 In fact the reason why it would be good to have BSL grammatical rules in
signwriting, is that for BSL they have many published works on
grammatical rules (e.g Sutton-Spence and Bencie Woll'The Linguistics of
BSL' just to mention one) - BUT not in signwriting - Having BSL rules in
signwriting would be of great use to us, since the two sign languages are
so close - having the same writing system i.e. signwriting, would make
cross-linguistic study so much easier!

Maria

>
> On 08/01/2010 2:59 AM, Sandy Fleming wrote:
>> I would love to write some grammar rules for SignWriting BSL: that sort
>> of thing would help people to write with more confidence, I think, but I
>> don't really feel qualified.
>>
> Hi everybody,
>      I am enjoying your posts very much.  I feel the need to start
> investigating more about Honduran Sign Language (LESHO) grammar.  I
> asked at the Deaf association and it seems that nobody has studied LESHO
> grammar yet.  When we get to writing full articles in LESHO it will be
> important include the gramatical non-manual markers in the writing too.
> Have any of you had any experience analyzing a sign language whose
> grammatical rules haven't been published yet?
>
> Jonathan
>> Sandy
>>
>> On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 22:20 +0000, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Shane,
>>>
>>> Interesting. I'd put that BSL time marker earlier. Something like
>>>
>>> PAST FOOD COOK (hold with aspect) FINISHED.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Shane Gilchrist
>>> <shane.gilchrist.oheorpa at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Gan,
>>>>
>>>> we dont really have past tenses in the same sense as the English
>>>> language - for instance, in BSL (using glosses - sorry!)
>>>>
>>>> I made food:
>>>>
>>>> - FOOD COOK^nodding
>>>> - FOOD COOK PAST
>>>> - FOOD COOK FINISHED!
>>>>
>>>> non-manual features are very important here.
>>>>
>>>> Shane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/1/6 Gan  Lu<glu at uclan.ac.uk>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Charles;
>>>>>
>>>>>    Thanks for the comment. So do you reckon the past tense is
>>>>> necessary here? And if we use "create". should it be 'Created'
>>>>> then?
>>>>>
>>>>>   Thanks
>>>>>   Gan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Charles Butler"<chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>  06/01/10 1:54 PM>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm.  In context the sign, I would think would be either "make" or
>>>>> "create".  The tense is carried by the situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> create
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Gan Lu<glu at uclan.ac.uk>
>>>>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>>>> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:05:15 AM
>>>>> Subject: [sw-l] question for the way to express 'made'
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Adam and Valerie;
>>>>>
>>>>>    I'm implementing the system now. While I have a question:
>>>>>
>>>>>      why can't we use an ASL gesture to express the meaning of 'made'
>>>>> on the first page of the 'Frosty the Snow Man', other than using
>>>>> the FingerSpellings to sign these four letters respectively?
>>>>>
>>>>>      I suppose the reason is because the word 'made' is a past tense,
>>>>> and there is no ASL for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>   The reason I'm asking is my intention is to implement the first
>>>>> page as a 4-by-4 output pattern, which are 16 sign-boxes in total
>>>>> includes those punctuations. So I'm looking for a way to squeeze
>>>>> the word 'made' into a box.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Thanks
>>>>> Gan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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