embedding ASL in pdf/html

Alan Post alanpost at SUNFLOWERRIVER.ORG
Wed Mar 24 03:28:20 UTC 2010


I live in Albuquerque and work in Santa Fe, so yes.

The software is working beautifully for me!  I've barely scratched
the surface of what it offers--I picked the simplest thing I could
possibly accomplish and tried it.  Over the next week I'll do the
next simplest thing, and continue doing that until I need new
features in the software.  :-)

My blog does use SignWriter now, but it is only like Adam's blog in
technical detail.  He has far more multi-lingual content, and users
to my website can't yet leave comments in SignText like they can on
Adam's.  All in time!

I don't know how Willem or Evan would react either, so this will be
new territory for everyone.  I look forward to hearing from you on
the topic.

-Alan

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 07:27:15PM -0700, SignWriting wrote:
> SignWriting List
> March 23, 2010
> 
> I might be able to contact some friends in New Mexico - are you in Albuquerque?
> 
> And I do have two contacts at the Oregon School for the Deaf - I have no idea how they will react, but I can write to them privately and get back to you, Alan -
> 
> So is the software working for you now? Does your blog use SignWriting now, like Adam's blog? I haven't been following what happened with the software issues - sorry for that...
> 
> Val ;-)
> 
> --------
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 23, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Alan Post wrote:
> 
> > Adam,
> > 
> > I play "Where are your Keys" monthly with a group that is teaching
> > itself Spanish, and have recently been approached by several people
> > very interested in "Where are your Keys?" to learn ASL, removing the
> > verbal component of the game.  My next game, scheduled for this
> > weekend, will actually be Contact Sign only.
> > 
> > My significant challenge here is that the one person in the Deaf
> > community I personally interact with is not engaged by the game.
> > Playing WAYK requires a fluent speaker, even if that speaker does
> > not know how to play WAYK.
> > 
> > I suspect I could fill a lot of empty chairs for regular ASL
> > sessions, with a fluent teacher.  Right now the demand for teachers
> > exceeds the supply.
> > 
> > My own problem here aside, Willem and Evan (the creators of "Where
> > are your Keys?") live in Oregon, USA.  If anyone in that area is
> > interested in taking Adam's suggestion here I'd be happy to put you
> > in touch with both of them.  I live in New Mexico, USA, for purposes
> > of the same offer.
> > 
> > -Alan
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 06:15:10PM -0700, Adam Frost wrote:
> >>   I was talking with a friend of mine about this same thing. She said that
> >>   the best way to guard against that is to make sure that there are Deaf
> >>   people involved. It doesn't mean that you will be protected completely
> >>   against that danger of apearring to appropriate, but there will be less
> >>   chance since the Deaf people involved will keep the language intact. I
> >>   personally think it holds for any language, but Deaf people are hyperaware
> >>   because of how often it has happened.
> >>   Adam
> >> 
> >>   On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:51 PM, "Cherie Wren" <[1]cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>     What hearing people have done, more than just a few times, is take the
> >>     LANGUAGE of Deaf people, ASL, and minimize it into a code for English
> >>     (or whatever).  Using the signs to' stand for' words in another language
> >>     without understanding the grammar and structure that make ASL a language
> >>     is reducing one of the most beautiful languages into nothing more than
> >>     morse code on the hands.  Its like taking a beautiful piece of art and
> >>     cutting it into pieces to use for note paper.   While using it to play
> >>     your game to teach yet another language is, I am sure, useful to you, it
> >>     contributes to the all too common misunderstanding that ASL is not a
> >>     proper language, it is just 'hand talk code' and can be thrown about
> >>     willy nilly in any fashion we want.  It denigrates ASL into a
> >>     SUB-sub-language status.  (it has long been considered "less than"
> >>     spoken language, now its being pushed even lower.)
> >> 
> >>     Wow.  Sorry.  I didn't realize I felt that strongly about it until I
> >>     started writing.  I sat and seriously debated whether I wanted to send
> >>     this or delete it, but you asked...  I have nothing against you or your
> >>     project, and I hope this doesn't come across as too offensive.  But I
> >>     have been fighting with hearing people who treat ASL as a way to
> >>     manually represent English for FAAAARRR too long.  I apologize if I have
> >>     ruffled any feathers...
> >> 
> >>     cherie
> >> 
> >>   --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> 
> >>     From: Adam Frost <[2]icemandeaf at gmail.com>
> >>     To: SignWriting List <[3]sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> >>     Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 2:32:19 PM
> >>     Subject: Re: [sw-l] embedding ASL in pdf/html
> >>     That's exactly what he meant. It is something that has to be treaded
> >>     carefully because it has happened too many times where that exact fear
> >>     has happened. That is why so many Deaf people are so protective.
> >> 
> >>     Adam
> >> 
> >>     On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> >> 
> >>> So I am trying to imagine what the Deaf person meant by saying that to
> >>     you...I would assume there is a possible fear, that hearing people will
> >>     use Deaf people's native language, ASL, which is a true language, just
> >>     for games, and not understand its importance in society .... do you
> >>     think that was what he meant?
> >>> 
> >>> Adam?
> >> 
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