embedding ASL in pdf/html

Tue Mar 23 18:04:39 UTC 2010

The only places that vertically tall signs are an issue with my site  
is with headings and such. There I will move things around to be still  
readable while not so tall. I enter the symbols directly with  
SignMaker and SignText rather than using a dictionary because I will  
usually find a sign that I feel could be written better, or even that  
it isn't in the dictionary.

Adam

On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Alan Post wrote:

> Wonderful!
>
> This clears up a tremendous amount of confusion for me.
>
> I notice, when using the dictionary, that the sign for interesting:
>
> http://www.signbank.org/swis/iswa/index.html?bsw=008046c1f8e9f8db46c9f8bef8eb82c0f8ecf8c782d0f8c4f8d84481f8e3f8a64489f8c1f8b65ec0f8ebf8fa5ec0f8cef908008146c146c95ec05ec082c082d044814489#v
>
> Is vertically tall. I don't see how a sign this tall fits into
> the design of your website.  Have you rearranged the glyphs that
> make up signs like this to fit a horizontal render, or am I seeing
> an illusion of you scaling an image like this?
>
> More broadly, are you constructing sign phrases manually from  
> individual
> glyphs, or are you using something like the dictionary to build  
> glyphograms
> out of already existing glyphograms?  (This may answer itself as I
> explore using SignMaker and SignText.)
>
> My current workflow has me looking up words by their english  
> equivalent
> and using the bsw code returned by the dictionary.  For the next
> part of my project, I need to construct phrases longer than a word,
> which means I'll need to learn more about bsw codes, or stop using
> the dictionary and start building phrases another way.  I haven't
> played much yet with SignMaker or SignText, but by today I've
> learned enough glyphs that I was able to search the dictionary for
> words by shape rather than English translation.
>
> -Alan
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:47:48AM -0700, Adam Frost wrote:
>> Hello Alan,
>>
>> Yes, there are many places on my website that still use the build
>> code. That is really left over from an older swis version. I didn't
>> even really notice that they were there because Steve has made it so
>> that the newer version can still read that parameter. I personally
>> just go into SignText and SignMaker to edit the signs, so wether the
>> parameter used is build or bsw isn't that important to me just as  
>> long
>> as it comes out right. ;-) From my understanding, build and bsw are
>> exactly the same except for the naming of the symbols. Build uses the
>> symbol id numbers which is xx-xx-xxx-xx-xx-xx whereas the bsw
>> parameter uses a binary code system that is far more economical in
>> that the longest code is xxxxx. This makes it so that more can be
>> placed into a URL without being too long. Also, build separates
>> different parts like symbol, x position, and y position with a comma
>> where bsw does not also making it more economical in length. That is
>> my understanding anyways.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Alan Post wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for replying Steve, these links helped a lot to figure out
>>> how all the pieces of this infrastructure fit together.
>>>
>>> I've uploaded the swis software to my website, and I can render
>>> SignWriting using bsw codes.  One example where I'm doing this is
>>> here:
>>>
>>> http://lodockikumazvati.org/tadji/lahe_lu_.ahusai_lihu/
>>>
>>> I have rendered two separate images, use the bsw= param to
>>> glyphogram.php.  I notice on Adam Frost's website, he uses the
>>> build= param.  I haven't quite figured out how to call build=,
>>> and I wonder if you can help me discovered how to use build=?
>>>
>>> I still would not consider myself fluent at reading bsw encoding,
>>> and it could be my trouble understanding how to use build= is
>>> aggravated by this ignorance.
>>>
>>> It seems that build= gives greater control over render order of
>>> symbols?  Some specific pointers about the difference between bsw=
>>> and build= would be really fantastic.
>>>
>>> Thank you again, this software is an absolute pleasure to work with.
>>> I accomplished my goal of installing and using it within a day, and
>>> am happy enough with the results to show them off here.  :-)
>>>
>>> -Alan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:50:09AM -0500, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to SignWriting.   I'll try to answer in more detail soon.
>>>>
>>>> You can read the Binary SignWriting HTML Reference.  This reference
>>>> can
>>>> analyze any valid BSW.  The analysis will default to "hello world."
>>>> in
>>>> ASL if you leave the textbox blank and press one of the buttons.
>>>> http://signbank.org/swis/iswa/
>>>>
>>>> I am still updating the SignWriting Image Server.
>>>>
>>>> You can read about the ISWA 2008 on SignPuddle.net:
>>>> http://www.signpuddle.net/mediawiki/index.php/ISWA_2008
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The ISWA has over 35k symbols.  Each symbol has a raster based
>>>> glyph in
>>>> 3 colors: line (black), fill (white), and background
>>>> (transparent).  We
>>>> do not have SVG yet.
>>>>
>>>> Each glyph is placed on a 2 dimensional canvas using X and Y
>>>> coordinates.  The resulting image represents a sign and is called a
>>>> glyphogram.  Each glyphogram has a center.  The SignWriting section
>>>> of
>>>> the Binary SignWriting HTML Reference details how to find the
>>>> center for
>>>> any sign.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to write to me privately or on the list.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> -Steve
>>>> slevin at signpuddle.net
>>>>
>>>>
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