embedding ASL in pdf/html

Tue Mar 23 18:07:24 UTC 2010

Can you point me to the URLs for SignMaker and SignText?  I'm not
getting an unambiguous result from google ("SignMaker" is particularly
collision prone, alas), and would like to make sure that I'm using
the same thing you are.

Thank you so much for your help today,

-Alan

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:04:39AM -0700, Adam Frost wrote:
> The only places that vertically tall signs are an issue with my site  
> is with headings and such. There I will move things around to be still  
> readable while not so tall. I enter the symbols directly with  
> SignMaker and SignText rather than using a dictionary because I will  
> usually find a sign that I feel could be written better, or even that  
> it isn't in the dictionary.
> 
> Adam
> 
> On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Alan Post wrote:
> 
> >Wonderful!
> >
> >This clears up a tremendous amount of confusion for me.
> >
> >I notice, when using the dictionary, that the sign for interesting:
> >
> >http://www.signbank.org/swis/iswa/index.html?bsw=008046c1f8e9f8db46c9f8bef8eb82c0f8ecf8c782d0f8c4f8d84481f8e3f8a64489f8c1f8b65ec0f8ebf8fa5ec0f8cef908008146c146c95ec05ec082c082d044814489#v
> >
> >Is vertically tall. I don't see how a sign this tall fits into
> >the design of your website.  Have you rearranged the glyphs that
> >make up signs like this to fit a horizontal render, or am I seeing
> >an illusion of you scaling an image like this?
> >
> >More broadly, are you constructing sign phrases manually from  
> >individual
> >glyphs, or are you using something like the dictionary to build  
> >glyphograms
> >out of already existing glyphograms?  (This may answer itself as I
> >explore using SignMaker and SignText.)
> >
> >My current workflow has me looking up words by their english  
> >equivalent
> >and using the bsw code returned by the dictionary.  For the next
> >part of my project, I need to construct phrases longer than a word,
> >which means I'll need to learn more about bsw codes, or stop using
> >the dictionary and start building phrases another way.  I haven't
> >played much yet with SignMaker or SignText, but by today I've
> >learned enough glyphs that I was able to search the dictionary for
> >words by shape rather than English translation.
> >
> >-Alan
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:47:48AM -0700, Adam Frost wrote:
> >>Hello Alan,
> >>
> >>Yes, there are many places on my website that still use the build
> >>code. That is really left over from an older swis version. I didn't
> >>even really notice that they were there because Steve has made it so
> >>that the newer version can still read that parameter. I personally
> >>just go into SignText and SignMaker to edit the signs, so wether the
> >>parameter used is build or bsw isn't that important to me just as  
> >>long
> >>as it comes out right. ;-) From my understanding, build and bsw are
> >>exactly the same except for the naming of the symbols. Build uses the
> >>symbol id numbers which is xx-xx-xxx-xx-xx-xx whereas the bsw
> >>parameter uses a binary code system that is far more economical in
> >>that the longest code is xxxxx. This makes it so that more can be
> >>placed into a URL without being too long. Also, build separates
> >>different parts like symbol, x position, and y position with a comma
> >>where bsw does not also making it more economical in length. That is
> >>my understanding anyways.
> >>
> >>Adam
> >>
> >>On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:20 AM, Alan Post wrote:
> >>
> >>>Thank you for replying Steve, these links helped a lot to figure out
> >>>how all the pieces of this infrastructure fit together.
> >>>
> >>>I've uploaded the swis software to my website, and I can render
> >>>SignWriting using bsw codes.  One example where I'm doing this is
> >>>here:
> >>>
> >>>http://lodockikumazvati.org/tadji/lahe_lu_.ahusai_lihu/
> >>>
> >>>I have rendered two separate images, use the bsw= param to
> >>>glyphogram.php.  I notice on Adam Frost's website, he uses the
> >>>build= param.  I haven't quite figured out how to call build=,
> >>>and I wonder if you can help me discovered how to use build=?
> >>>
> >>>I still would not consider myself fluent at reading bsw encoding,
> >>>and it could be my trouble understanding how to use build= is
> >>>aggravated by this ignorance.
> >>>
> >>>It seems that build= gives greater control over render order of
> >>>symbols?  Some specific pointers about the difference between bsw=
> >>>and build= would be really fantastic.
> >>>
> >>>Thank you again, this software is an absolute pleasure to work with.
> >>>I accomplished my goal of installing and using it within a day, and
> >>>am happy enough with the results to show them off here.  :-)
> >>>
> >>>-Alan
> >>>
> >>>On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:50:09AM -0500, Steve Slevinski wrote:
> >>>>Hi Alan,
> >>>>
> >>>>Welcome to SignWriting.   I'll try to answer in more detail soon.
> >>>>
> >>>>You can read the Binary SignWriting HTML Reference.  This reference
> >>>>can
> >>>>analyze any valid BSW.  The analysis will default to "hello world."
> >>>>in
> >>>>ASL if you leave the textbox blank and press one of the buttons.
> >>>>http://signbank.org/swis/iswa/
> >>>>
> >>>>I am still updating the SignWriting Image Server.
> >>>>
> >>>>You can read about the ISWA 2008 on SignPuddle.net:
> >>>>http://www.signpuddle.net/mediawiki/index.php/ISWA_2008
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>The ISWA has over 35k symbols.  Each symbol has a raster based
> >>>>glyph in
> >>>>3 colors: line (black), fill (white), and background
> >>>>(transparent).  We
> >>>>do not have SVG yet.
> >>>>
> >>>>Each glyph is placed on a 2 dimensional canvas using X and Y
> >>>>coordinates.  The resulting image represents a sign and is called a
> >>>>glyphogram.  Each glyphogram has a center.  The SignWriting section
> >>>>of
> >>>>the Binary SignWriting HTML Reference details how to find the
> >>>>center for
> >>>>any sign.
> >>>>
> >>>>Feel free to write to me privately or on the list.
> >>>>
> >>>>Regards,
> >>>>-Steve
> >>>>slevin at signpuddle.net
> >>>>
> >>>>
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