AW: SignMail

Wed Jan 12 23:04:09 UTC 2011

Yes, I want to be able to actually answer the mail, not simply start from 
scratch. What's the point of email if you can't reply without starting from 
scratch. I understand the limitations of the system, it will require a lot of 
work to get something to process fast enough to cut and paste, like we do in 
email, so we can actually respond back, in sign language, quoting someone else's 
words, and their accents, without having to retype their letter.

It is one day at a time when one is learning to write in a signed language, we 
have so many things to do, and when you are doing consciously with a new writing 
system in one generation what others took thousands of years to develop, there 
will always be glitches.

Charles

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From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:24:16 AM
Subject: AW: SignMail

Hi Eda,  Charles, everybody ... 

I do not know whether I got the idea. Do you try to send a SignWriting email but 
find problems to achieve that? Do you you say Charles that you do not send 
signmail messages directly from signpuddle, but work with a copy and paste 
method? 

We do not have problems to send signmails. SignPuddle is working fine to do 
that. What we cannot do is to answer directly a message we got. So in order to 
cope with that we simply start with a new first message. 

We do that so many times every day. The procedure is the almost like this: 

Signpuddle dictionary  - translate – update – signmail – add the correct 
information to the boxes and send. ;-) 

It is part of our daily homework at school. 

Stefan ;-)

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Von:SignWriting List : Read and Write Sign Languages 
[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2011 15:41
An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
Betreff: Re: SignMail

Sign Mail has a glitch.  SignMail tem errados. Voce nao faltar. 

I know Valerie has this in the list of things to be repaired, but it has to wait 
until the ISWA is fully loaded. 

My work around is to copy the mail, put it into PDF or JPG and send it out by 
email in pieces.  It is slow, but it works.

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From:Eda AMORim <edaamorim at HOTMAIL.COM>
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:36:28 AM
Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing
Ola, Valerie, Charles ,Erika, Stefan, e todos da lista, tenho apreciado muito os 
comentários de vocês e aprendido muito. Estou acompanhando as discussões, mas 
apenas desculpe-me por não estar participando ativamente, mais pela dificuldade 
no  inglês, mas superarei isso. No que for possível estarei participando, e se 
for de alguma ajuda estou a disposição.
Por favor, tentei enviar um email em SW pelo site, sign pudle, mas não consegui, 
será que estou fazendo algo errado? 

Obrigada
Eda Amorim

Hello, Valerie, Charles, Erik, Stefan, and everybody's list, I have greatly 
appreciated the comments of you and learned a lot. I am following the 
discussions, but just excuse me for not being actively participating in most of 
the difficulty in English, but get over it. In whatever way possible will be 
attending, and if some help I am available.
Please try to send an email on the SW site, puddle sign, but could not, am I 
doing something wrong?
Thanks
Eda Amorim

Intérprete/Tradutora e Profa. de Língua Brasileira de Sinais
Especialista em Educação de Surdos

 CENTRO EDUCACIONAL CULTURA SURDA LTDA.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:00:44 -0800
From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
SignWriting List
 January 11, 2011

 Hello Charles -
 Thank you for this message...

 On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

 > No I use the slash for palm facing parallel to the floor in my teaching 
style.  In one of the lessons he was using the slash across the palms for palm 
up and away or down and away (parallel to arrows).  I'm teaching handwriting as 
well as computer writing.

 OH. Are you talking about writing hands with the computer, that are at a 
Diagonal Forward or Back angle? That old symbol used a slash across the 
symbol...that is true. But I took that out of the official writing system in the 
ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010, because no one was using them, and I know that people 
can construct them if they really want to use them. You
 can write them by computer, by placing a line across symbols and finding the 
dot too...see attached diagram:

As you know, the dot represents the fingers coming towards the body in the back 
diagonal position - I personally do not choose to write the Forward-Diagonal and 
Back-Diagonal hand positions - I think the slash and the slash with the dot were 
too confusing and the symbol is not used enough to warrant having it an official 
symbol in the ISWA 2010 - we can write just fine, with choosing either the 
Parallel to the Floor or Parallel to the Front Wall positions, and then if there 
is a movement that goes Forward-Diagonal or Back-Diagonal, that we have, that 
makes it clear ...so I personally would hesitate to put in so much detail...but 
for research of course, it can be used and it is certainly your choice if you 
feel it is necessary - > > If I were to use the slash as up and out, I'd put it 
at the tip of the hand so I could conceivably write palm up and and out, (slash 
at the tip) and palm up and back (dot on the tip). If you put a dark circle 
above the tip, you squeeze the hand, and in the middle it could be a thumb 
projecting. > > I will make this into a PDF so you see what I mean from my 
lessons. It applies to every hand so that now you can show all those 45 degree 
variants that are sometimes a real challenge to write. I'm still experimenting. 
Wow. That is a great deal of detail. Sounds like you are working very hard, and 
a very interesting project! Thanks for sharing with us, Charles - Val ;-) 
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