AW: AW: SignMail

Stefan Wöhrmann stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE
Thu Jan 13 00:28:46 UTC 2011 

Hi Valerie, 

there is still some kind of problem. And Steve mentioned some weeks or even
months ago that he is going to fix that too. The good point is that you can
write many signs in a signmail - message. 

The problem is that Signtext allows only a given number of maybe 14 to 20
signs - depends woh many graphemes are embedded - who knows - well Steve
should - smile. 

So relpading a signmail in Signtext can cause a problem if Signtext does not
accept more than a given number of signs. 

Stefan ;-)


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Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Januar 2011 00:26
An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
Betreff: Re: AW: SignMail

SignWriting List
January 12, 2011

Charles and Everyone -

The SignMail glitch has been fixed today! I guess you didn't catch that?

So many messages today it can get confusing I know...I have not read all
your messages, but if you are having problems viewing SignMail in your email
software, then you need to change either the software you are using to view
your email, or...change the settings in your email software to view HTML
messages - 

I love Apple Mail and their web version, called ME.com, because you can see
all the visual SignMail inside your email messages, and Stefan found out
that googlemail, and gmail works too - and I know that Eudora also sees
visual attachments and HTML inside your email messages -

So now you CAN answer the email at the bottom of a SignMail message now
without retyping anything - Steve fixed that this morning - thank you Steve!

Val ;-)

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Yes, I want to be able to actually answer the mail, not simply start from
scratch. What's the point of email if you can't reply without starting from
scratch. I understand the limitations of the system, it will require a lot
of work to get something to process fast enough to cut and paste, like we do
in email, so we can actually respond back, in sign language, quoting someone
else's words, and their accents, without having to retype their letter.
>  
> It is one day at a time when one is learning to write in a signed
language, we have so many things to do, and when you are doing consciously
with a new writing system in one generation what others took thousands of
years to develop, there will always be glitches.
>  
> Charles
> 
>  
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> From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:24:16 AM
> Subject: AW: SignMail
> 
> Hi Eda,  Charles, everybody ...
>  
> I do not know whether I got the idea. Do you try to send a SignWriting
email but find problems to achieve that? Do you you say Charles that you do
not send signmail messages directly from signpuddle, but work with a copy
and paste method?
>  
> We do not have problems to send signmails. SignPuddle is working fine to
do that. What we cannot do is to answer directly a message we got. So in
order to cope with that we simply start with a new first message.
>  
> We do that so many times every day. The procedure is the almost like this:
>  
> Signpuddle dictionary  - translate – update – signmail – add the correct
information to the boxes and send. ;-)
>  
> It is part of our daily homework at school.
>  
> Stefan ;-)
>  
>  
>  
> Von: SignWriting List : Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2011 15:41
> An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
> Betreff: Re: SignMail
>  
> Sign Mail has a glitch.  SignMail tem errados. Voce nao faltar. 
>  
> I know Valerie has this in the list of things to be repaired, but it has
to wait until the ISWA is fully loaded. 
>  
> My work around is to copy the mail, put it into PDF or JPG and send it out
by email in pieces.  It is slow, but it works.
>  
> From: Eda AMORim <edaamorim at HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:36:28 AM
> Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing
> 
> Ola, Valerie, Charles ,Erika, Stefan, e todos da lista, tenho apreciado
muito os comentários de vocês e aprendido muito. Estou acompanhando as
discussões, mas apenas desculpe-me por não estar participando ativamente,
mais pela dificuldade no  inglês, mas superarei isso. No que for possível
estarei participando, e se for de alguma ajuda estou a disposição.
> 
> Por favor, tentei enviar um email em SW pelo site, sign pudle, mas não
consegui, será que estou fazendo algo errado?
> 
> Obrigada
> 
> Eda Amorim
> 
>  
> Hello, Valerie, Charles, Erik, Stefan, and everybody's list, I have
greatly appreciated the comments of you and learned a lot. I am following
the discussions, but just excuse me for not being actively participating in
most of the difficulty in English, butget over it. In whatever way possible
will be attending, and if some help I am available.
> Please try to send an email on the SW site, puddle sign, but could not, am
I doing something wrong?
> Thanks
> Eda Amorim
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:00:44 -0800
> From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
> Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
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> SignWriting List
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> January 11, 2011
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> Hello Charles -
> 
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> Thank you for this message...
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> On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
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> > No I use the slash for palm facing parallel to the floor in my teaching
style.  In one of the lessons he was using the slash across the palms for
palm up and away or down and away (parallel to arrows).  I'm teaching
handwriting as well as computer writing.
> 
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>  
> 
> 
> OH. Are you talking about writing hands with the computer, that are at a
Diagonal Forward or Back angle? That old symbol used a slash across the
symbol...that is true. But I took that out of the official writing system in
the ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010, because no one was using them, and I know that
people can construct them if they really want to use them. You
> 
>  can write them by computer, by placing a line across symbols and finding
the dot too...see attached diagram:
> 
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> 
> 
> As you know, the dot represents the fingers coming towards the body in the
back diagonal position - I personally do not choose to write the
Forward-Diagonal and Back-Diagonal hand positions - I think the slash and
the slash with the dot were too confusing and the symbol is not used enough
to warrant having it an official symbol in the ISWA 2010 - we can write just
fine, with choosing either the Parallel to the Floor or Parallel to the
Front Wall positions, and then if there is a movement that goes
Forward-Diagonal or Back-Diagonal, that we have, that makes it clear ...so I
personally would hesitate to put in so much detail...but for research of
course, it can be used and it is certainly your choice if you feel it is
necessary - > > If I were to use the slash as up and out, I'd put it at the
tip of the hand so I could conceivably write palm up and and out, (slash at
the tip) and palm up and back (dot on the tip). If you put a dark circle
above the tip, you squeeze the hand, 
 and in the middle it could be a thumb projecting. > > I will make this into
a PDF so you see what I mean from my lessons. It applies to every hand so
that now you can show all those 45 degree variants that are sometimes a real
challenge to write. I'm still experimenting. Wow. That is a great deal of
detail. Sounds like you are working very hard, and a very interesting
project! Thanks for sharing with us, Charles - Val ;-) Valerie Sutton
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