AW: AW: SignMail

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
January 12, 2011

Really? I had no idea - I have to leave that to Steve - I did not realize this - all this is going to get better everyone - as Charles said - one step at a time!

And thank you for the lovely card to Steve, Stefan, which I will post in the Birthday card section on the web -

Val ;-)

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

> Hi Valerie, 
> 
> there is still some kind of problem. And Steve mentioned some weeks or even
> months ago that he is going to fix that too. The good point is that you can
> write many signs in a signmail - message. 
> 
> The problem is that Signtext allows only a given number of maybe 14 to 20
> signs - depends woh many graphemes are embedded - who knows - well Steve
> should - smile. 
> 
> So relpading a signmail in Signtext can cause a problem if Signtext does not
> accept more than a given number of signs. 
> 
> Stefan ;-)
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
> [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. Januar 2011 00:26
> An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
> Betreff: Re: AW: SignMail
> 
> SignWriting List
> January 12, 2011
> 
> Charles and Everyone -
> 
> The SignMail glitch has been fixed today! I guess you didn't catch that?
> 
> So many messages today it can get confusing I know...I have not read all
> your messages, but if you are having problems viewing SignMail in your email
> software, then you need to change either the software you are using to view
> your email, or...change the settings in your email software to view HTML
> messages - 
> 
> I love Apple Mail and their web version, called ME.com, because you can see
> all the visual SignMail inside your email messages, and Stefan found out
> that googlemail, and gmail works too - and I know that Eudora also sees
> visual attachments and HTML inside your email messages -
> 
> So now you CAN answer the email at the bottom of a SignMail message now
> without retyping anything - Steve fixed that this morning - thank you Steve!
> 
> Val ;-)
> 
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> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I want to be able to actually answer the mail, not simply start from
> scratch. What's the point of email if you can't reply without starting from
> scratch. I understand the limitations of the system, it will require a lot
> of work to get something to process fast enough to cut and paste, like we do
> in email, so we can actually respond back, in sign language, quoting someone
> else's words, and their accents, without having to retype their letter.
>> 
>> It is one day at a time when one is learning to write in a signed
> language, we have so many things to do, and when you are doing consciously
> with a new writing system in one generation what others took thousands of
> years to develop, there will always be glitches.
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
>> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:24:16 AM
>> Subject: AW: SignMail
>> 
>> Hi Eda,  Charles, everybody ...
>> 
>> I do not know whether I got the idea. Do you try to send a SignWriting
> email but find problems to achieve that? Do you you say Charles that you do
> not send signmail messages directly from signpuddle, but work with a copy
> and paste method?
>> 
>> We do not have problems to send signmails. SignPuddle is working fine to
> do that. What we cannot do is to answer directly a message we got. So in
> order to cope with that we simply start with a new first message.
>> 
>> We do that so many times every day. The procedure is the almost like this:
>> 
>> Signpuddle dictionary  - translate – update – signmail – add the correct
> information to the boxes and send. ;-)
>> 
>> It is part of our daily homework at school.
>> 
>> Stefan ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Von: SignWriting List : Read and Write Sign Languages
> [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2011 15:41
>> An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
>> Betreff: Re: SignMail
>> 
>> Sign Mail has a glitch.  SignMail tem errados. Voce nao faltar. 
>> 
>> I know Valerie has this in the list of things to be repaired, but it has
> to wait until the ISWA is fully loaded. 
>> 
>> My work around is to copy the mail, put it into PDF or JPG and send it out
> by email in pieces.  It is slow, but it works.
>> 
>> From: Eda AMORim <edaamorim at HOTMAIL.COM>
>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
>> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:36:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing
>> 
>> Ola, Valerie, Charles ,Erika, Stefan, e todos da lista, tenho apreciado
> muito os comentários de vocês e aprendido muito. Estou acompanhando as
> discussões, mas apenas desculpe-me por não estar participando ativamente,
> mais pela dificuldade no  inglês, mas superarei isso. No que for possível
> estarei participando, e se for de alguma ajuda estou a disposição.
>> 
>> Por favor, tentei enviar um email em SW pelo site, sign pudle, mas não
> consegui, será que estou fazendo algo errado?
>> 
>> Obrigada
>> 
>> Eda Amorim
>> 
>> 
>> Hello, Valerie, Charles, Erik, Stefan, and everybody's list, I have
> greatly appreciated the comments of you and learned a lot. I am following
> the discussions, but just excuse me for not being actively participating in
> most of the difficulty in English, butget over it. In whatever way possible
> will be attending, and if some help I am available.
>> Please try to send an email on the SW site, puddle sign, but could not, am
> I doing something wrong?
>> Thanks
>> Eda Amorim
>> 
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>> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:00:44 -0800
>> From: sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
>> Subject: Re: SignWriting Handwriting and palm facing
>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
>> 
>> SignWriting List
>> 
>> January 11, 2011
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Charles -
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you for this message...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> No I use the slash for palm facing parallel to the floor in my teaching
> style.  In one of the lessons he was using the slash across the palms for
> palm up and away or down and away (parallel to arrows).  I'm teaching
> handwriting as well as computer writing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OH. Are you talking about writing hands with the computer, that are at a
> Diagonal Forward or Back angle? That old symbol used a slash across the
> symbol...that is true. But I took that out of the official writing system in
> the ISWA 2008 and ISWA 2010, because no one was using them, and I know that
> people can construct them if they really want to use them. You
>> 
>> can write them by computer, by placing a line across symbols and finding
> the dot too...see attached diagram:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As you know, the dot represents the fingers coming towards the body in the
> back diagonal position - I personally do not choose to write the
> Forward-Diagonal and Back-Diagonal hand positions - I think the slash and
> the slash with the dot were too confusing and the symbol is not used enough
> to warrant having it an official symbol in the ISWA 2010 - we can write just
> fine, with choosing either the Parallel to the Floor or Parallel to the
> Front Wall positions, and then if there is a movement that goes
> Forward-Diagonal or Back-Diagonal, that we have, that makes it clear ...so I
> personally would hesitate to put in so much detail...but for research of
> course, it can be used and it is certainly your choice if you feel it is
> necessary - > > If I were to use the slash as up and out, I'd put it at the
> tip of the hand so I could conceivably write palm up and and out, (slash at
> the tip) and palm up and back (dot on the tip). If you put a dark circle
> above the tip, you squeeze the hand, 
> and in the middle it could be a thumb projecting. > > I will make this into
> a PDF so you see what I mean from my lessons. It applies to every hand so
> that now you can show all those 45 degree variants that are sometimes a real
> challenge to write. I'm still experimenting. Wow. That is a great deal of
> detail. Sounds like you are working very hard, and a very interesting
> project! Thanks for sharing with us, Charles - Val ;-) Valerie Sutton
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