Recently approved MA Thesis on SignWriting
marie.alexander at UM.EDU.MT
Wed May 11 07:23:12 UTC 2011
That will be the work for your Ph.D. I hope. Well done Stuart!
Marie Alexander (from Malta)
On 5/10/2011 5:40 PM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
> Thanks for the questions. I have been travelling for work so I haven't
> had a chance to check responses to my email until now. :) I arrive
> home tonight. I will reply with answers to your questions and other
> questions in this thread.
> Let me say this much and then I'll respond more specifically later. My
> goal for the thesis was to provide an analysis of the symbols based on
> the symbols themselves and then look for predictable rules that can
> help us develop rules that a computer can use to predict placement.
> Where possible, predicted placement can help us have more predictable
> spellings and less variations. I did want to talk more in detail about
> placement issues, but I did not have time because I needed to describe
> each symbol category in depth first. My last 2 chapters deal with
> placement questions. The research I was able to do gives me some ideas
> on how placement could be handled, but I would need more time to
> develop that.
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bill Reese <wreese01 at tampabay.rr.com
> <mailto:wreese01 at tampabay.rr.com>> wrote:
> Great! I'm glad they're working together on it. I hope great
> things come out of the collaboration.
> I know I brought this up before but I'm wondering, Stuart, if a
> concept of relative coordinate systems was discussed in your
> thesis? I did a quick scan so I'm not sure if it was. What I
> mean by "relative" is a coordinate system that's related to a
> previous symbol in a sign according to that sign's signspelling
> The coordinate for the first symbol would be in absolute
> coordinates according to the signbox, then the second symbol would
> relate to the first symbol according to a coordinate system using
> a point of the first symbol as the origin.
> Doing it that way may allow establishing matrices of symbol
> pairing in a sign. I would imagine this to be similar to
> "kerning" and possibly define distances according to the pairs
> rotation of not only themselves but to each other. Similar to
> what you were saying about establishing minimum distances.
> About the overlap of symbols that you mention. I was wondering if
> it couldn't also be solved by a matrix of symbol pairing so that a
> particular matrix value would indicate overlap - say, a value of
> -1. On the other hand, do you think it would be possible to
> create totally different symbols that are overlaps of two
> symbols? I ask this as that's what's done in other languages when
> there's an overlap. For instance, "æ" which looks like "a" and
> "e" overlapped but is it's own symbol. I would hazard a guess
> that separate symbols are only possible when there's only a few.
> On 5/9/2011 1:06 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>> SignWriting List
>> May 9, 2011
>> Hello Bill -
>> Just want you to know that we have a group of
>> Unicode-knowledgeable people working together on our SignWriting
>> proposals that will be presented to the Unicode-related meetings
>> over a period of years, and Steve and Stuart are both in the
>> group, along with others as well - so we are all working
>> together...The proposals have been separated into proposing the
>> encoding of the symbols, or characters, first, (of the
>> International SignWriting Alphabet 2010) and then once the
>> symbols have been encoded, we will present a second proposal
>> related to layout and symbol placement issues - so that second
>> area is where different theories will be discussed until we can
>> come up with a final decision for a second proposal - so we are
>> taking this one step at at a time...
>> An exciting time for all of us - smile -
>> Val ;-)
>> On May 9, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Bill Reese wrote:
>>> Wow, that was a lot of work! I do have one question. How would
>>> the most recent work in Unicode and, more particularly, what
>>> Steve Slevinski has written to the list affect the portion where
>>> you talk about what may be needed for successful Unicode
>>> acceptance? From what it appears, it's well on it's way to
>>> acceptance with what Steve and Michael Everson have done.
>>> On 5/8/2011 1:02 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>>>> Hello, all! I know it's been a long time, no see. I wanted to
>>>> let you know that I have completed my MA thesis on SignWriting.
>>>> For those of you interested in reading it, you can download a
>>>> PDF from the University website. Just so you know, the PDF
>>>> itself is about 22MB.
>>>> If you have any questions about it, just let me know.
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