Query on handshapes

[Charles Butler]

Thank you Valerie for your excellent explanation. As long as glyphs are understood as approximations and that for some the rotations and reflections may be interpreted in opposite fashion, then we have a working system.
Charles

--- On Thu, 9/15/11, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:

From: Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Query on handshapes
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 11:02 PM

The problem I see with adding a new handshape, or "writing what I see" is that in indexing, the SW 2010 system, if indexed by handshape, would show my writing of what I see as the right hand on the clown face, if indexed by the system, would be listed as a left hand in the actual coding. 
If I were to do a one-to-one correspondence in a verbal system such as Sign Text, we'd get opposite hands connected to the same face and handshape, requiring individual editing, not a clear data merge. 
How can this be resolved? I'm thinking of this on a programming basis. What I write as a "right" hand is seen by the numbering of the coding as a "left" hand. 
Although it has been stated that each of us are free to use the system as we wish, the actual encoding of the SW 2010 presumes that one
 writing is preferred, and will be interpreted, if indexed by the system, as correct. We both can't write the same sign with opposite hands and have them interpreted by the same system as meaning the same thing.
Charles Butler

--- On Wed, 9/14/11, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:

From: Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: AW: Three-claw solution
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 3:37 PM

I'm trying to see a way that it is very clear for all handshapes for three claws going face forward.  This is claws, not bent fingers. No one seems to be objecting to completely bent
 fingers, it's these claw hands that seem to be giving people woogies.
Charles

--- On Wed, 9/14/11, Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM> wrote:

From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM>
Subject: AW: Three-claw solution
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 3:12 PM




 
 







 



Hi Charles,  

I do not understand your
intention. There is no need for any additional symbol ... The three claw hand
shape looks perfect to me.  

   

Stefan 

   









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  Here is a solution I came up with that parallels the
  circle spot for straight fingers pointing forward. I propose a square spot or
  box for curves going forward for the flat hand. The square is to show the
  nail of the hand. If the curves go left or right, they are drawn that way,
  but if the curves actually bend forward or back you'd show the nail.  
  
     
  
  
  That way it is a true position, not a compromise
  position that can be confused. 
  
  
     
  
  
  I tried to create this in powerpoint but lost the
  picture. 
  
  
     
  
  
  Charles 
  
  
     
  
  
 


   



 


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