Greetings from Egypt!

Jonathan duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Thu Apr 19 13:49:39 UTC 2012


Hi Ryan,
     Welcome to the list.
     Here are two lists of world sign languages.

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=23-16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sign_languages

Regards,
Jonathan

On 4/19/2012 5:30 AM, Ryan Fan wrote:
> One thing I forgot to ask: Does anyone know if there's an accepted 
> abbreviation for Egyptian Sign Language?  EgSL, perhaps?  (Analogous 
> to Arabic Sign Language being referred to as ArSL.)  If there is a 
> list of accepted names and abbreviations you could refer us to, that 
> would be awesome.
> Many thanks!
> -Ryan
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ryan Fan <ryanfan42 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:ryanfan42 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hello Val!
>     Thanks for referring me to the research and the Saudi Arabian
>     SignPuddle.  I'm sure it will be an interesting comparison in
>     terms of signs and SW conventions.  I'll try to add an English,
>     Modern Standard Arabic (MSA), and Egyptian Arabic gloss for each
>     sign, if available.
>
>     An important thing to keep in mind about Arabic: "Arabic" is an
>     umbrella term for many different stratified and overlapping spoken
>     languages.  (This is an oversimplification; we can discuss in more
>     depth later.)  Many native speakers are not able to actively
>     distinguish features of their spoken variety and other varieties,
>     including the MSA used in literature.  The same appears to hold
>     true for perceptions of the distinction between Egyptian Sign and
>     what I've seen in Egypt referred to as simply "Arabic Sign."
>      Hopefully, some of the data collection I'm trying to do will shed
>     more light on this subject from a Sign perspective.
>
>     Thanks again, and keep on dancing!
>     -Ryan
>
>     On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Valerie Sutton
>     <sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>> wrote:
>
>         SignWriting List
>         April 18, 2012
>
>         Hello Ryan!
>         Thank you for your correspondence today, and for adding signs
>         to the Egyptian SignPuddle Dictionary, which has been close to
>         empty for several years, waiting for someone to take interest
>         in writing Egyptian Sign Language…
>
>
>         Egyptian SignPuddle
>         http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=84
>         <http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=84>
>
>
>         So it was only natural for me, when I saw your message and
>         some of the signs you have written in SignPuddle, that I
>         danced around my office - because I did! Good news is a good
>         reason to dance…smile...
>
>         We will benefit from learning about Arabic, linguistics, Egypt
>         and Egyptian Sign Language, so feel free to inform us… It
>         sounds like you are doing interesting research and we look
>         forward to learning more about it -
>
>         Have you read some of Dr. Mohamed AbuShaira's research on
>         SignWriting in Deaf Education in Jordan and Saudi Arabia? It
>         is in Arabic...
>
>         http://www.signwriting.org/arabia/
>
>         Have you seen the Saudi Arabian SignPuddle in Arabic?
>
>         Saudi Arabian SignPuddle
>         http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=91
>         <http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=91>
>
>         Several countries will benefit from an Arabic User Interface
>         in SignPuddle, so thank you for offering to help with that -
>
>         Val ;-)
>
>         ---------
>
>
>
>
>
>         On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Ryan Fan wrote:
>
>>         Hi all,
>>         My name's Ryan, and I'm trying to start work on the Egyptian
>>         SignPuddle,
>>         slowly transferring signs from my notebook onto the
>>         SignPuddle database.  In
>>         truth, I'm rather new to SignWriting, and how my studies have
>>         led me to this
>>         juncture is a bit of a long story.
>>
>>         In short, I have limited experience with ASL from grade
>>         school hymns and a
>>         high school ASL club many years ago.  My undergraduate work
>>         focused on
>>         mathematics and linguistics, as well as Arabic.  I've been
>>         living in Egypt for the
>>         past couple years, studying Arabic while searching for a
>>         place to learn Egyptian
>>         Sign Language.  The bureaucracy here is something of a
>>         tortuous and torturous
>>         labyrinth, especially for foreigners, and I only managed to
>>         start attending
>>         weekly Egyptian Sign classes this Spring, mere months before
>>         my departure to
>>         start a graduate program in Arabic Linguistics back in the
>>         US.  I hope to return
>>         relatively frequently (in intervals of ~6-12 months) for
>>         documentation and
>>         research on both spoken Egyptian Arabic and Egyptian Sign.
>>
>>         Reading over Val's warm/dancing welcome to my inquiry and
>>         seeing some of the
>>         archived emails, I'm grateful to be part of such a supportive
>>         and inquisitive
>>         community!  Please feel free to contact me via email should
>>         you feel the strong
>>         and sudden urge to discuss anything pertaining to Arabic,
>>         linguistics, Egypt,
>>         signing, any combination of those, or anything else, really.
>>          Thanks!
>>         -Ryan
>>
>
>         ------
>
>
>
>
>         Val ;-)
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