Greetings from Egypt!

Thu Apr 19 14:23:33 UTC 2012

Thanks for the links, Jonathan.  However, Ethnologue uses a specialized
triliteral code that doesn't reflect common usage (e.g. ase for ASL), while
Wikipedia lists and links to a lot of sign languages but doesn't have any
information on Egyptian Sign.  (I'm hoping to help set up a page for
Egyptian Sign soon.)

I'll keep searching, but until I hear of anything different, I think I'll
use EgSL as a stand-in, to keep it from being confused with English as a
Second Language.  Thanks again!
-Ryan

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jonathan <duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca> wrote:

>  Hi Ryan,
>     Welcome to the list.
>     Here are two lists of world sign languages.
>
> http://www.ethnologue.com/show_family.asp?subid=23-16
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sign_languages
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan
>
>
> On 4/19/2012 5:30 AM, Ryan Fan wrote:
>
> One thing I forgot to ask: Does anyone know if there's an accepted
> abbreviation for Egyptian Sign Language?  EgSL, perhaps?  (Analogous to
> Arabic Sign Language being referred to as ArSL.)  If there is a list of
> accepted names and abbreviations you could refer us to, that would be
> awesome.
> Many thanks!
> -Ryan
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ryan Fan <ryanfan42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Val!
>> Thanks for referring me to the research and the Saudi Arabian SignPuddle.
>>  I'm sure it will be an interesting comparison in terms of signs and SW
>> conventions.  I'll try to add an English, Modern Standard Arabic (MSA), and
>> Egyptian Arabic gloss for each sign, if available.
>>
>>  An important thing to keep in mind about Arabic: "Arabic" is an
>> umbrella term for many different stratified and overlapping spoken
>> languages.  (This is an oversimplification; we can discuss in more depth
>> later.)  Many native speakers are not able to actively distinguish features
>> of their spoken variety and other varieties, including the MSA used in
>> literature.  The same appears to hold true for perceptions of the
>> distinction between Egyptian Sign and what I've seen in Egypt referred to
>> as simply "Arabic Sign."  Hopefully, some of the data collection I'm trying
>> to do will shed more light on this subject from a Sign perspective.
>>
>>  Thanks again, and keep on dancing!
>>  -Ryan
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>wrote:
>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> April 18, 2012
>>>
>>>  Hello Ryan!
>>> Thank you for your correspondence today, and for adding signs to the
>>> Egyptian SignPuddle Dictionary, which has been close to empty for several
>>> years, waiting for someone to take interest in writing Egyptian Sign
>>> Language…
>>>
>>>
>>>  Egyptian SignPuddle
>>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=84
>>>
>>>
>>>  So it was only natural for me, when I saw your message and some of the
>>> signs you have written in SignPuddle, that I danced around my office -
>>> because I did! Good news is a good reason to dance…smile...
>>>
>>>  We will benefit from learning about Arabic, linguistics, Egypt and
>>> Egyptian Sign Language, so feel free to inform us… It sounds like you are
>>> doing interesting research and we look forward to learning more about it -
>>>
>>>  Have you read some of Dr. Mohamed AbuShaira's research on SignWriting
>>> in Deaf Education in Jordan and Saudi Arabia? It is in Arabic...
>>>
>>>  http://www.signwriting.org/arabia/
>>>
>>>  Have you seen the Saudi Arabian SignPuddle in Arabic?
>>>
>>>  Saudi Arabian SignPuddle
>>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=91
>>>
>>>  Several countries will benefit from an Arabic User Interface in
>>> SignPuddle, so thank you for offering to help with that -
>>>
>>>  Val ;-)
>>>
>>>  ---------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Ryan Fan wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>> My name's Ryan, and I'm trying to start work on the Egyptian SignPuddle,
>>> slowly transferring signs from my notebook onto the SignPuddle database.
>>>  In
>>> truth, I'm rather new to SignWriting, and how my studies have led me to
>>> this
>>> juncture is a bit of a long story.
>>>
>>> In short, I have limited experience with ASL from grade school hymns and
>>> a
>>> high school ASL club many years ago.  My undergraduate work focused on
>>> mathematics and linguistics, as well as Arabic.  I've been living in
>>> Egypt for the
>>> past couple years, studying Arabic while searching for a place to learn
>>> Egyptian
>>> Sign Language.  The bureaucracy here is something of a tortuous and
>>> torturous
>>> labyrinth, especially for foreigners, and I only managed to start
>>> attending
>>> weekly Egyptian Sign classes this Spring, mere months before my
>>> departure to
>>> start a graduate program in Arabic Linguistics back in the US.  I hope
>>> to return
>>> relatively frequently (in intervals of ~6-12 months) for documentation
>>> and
>>> research on both spoken Egyptian Arabic and Egyptian Sign.
>>>
>>> Reading over Val's warm/dancing welcome to my inquiry and seeing some of
>>> the
>>> archived emails, I'm grateful to be part of such a supportive and
>>> inquisitive
>>> community!  Please feel free to contact me via email should you feel the
>>> strong
>>> and sudden urge to discuss anything pertaining to Arabic, linguistics,
>>> Egypt,
>>> signing, any combination of those, or anything else, really.  Thanks!
>>> -Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>>   ------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Val ;-)
>>>
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