AW: AW: Writing Non Manual Signals

Wed Apr 10 22:42:26 UTC 2013

Hi Cherie, 

well – in this case – no problem you would not write „finish“ but „fsh“

All best 

Stefan

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[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Cherie Wren
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. April 2013 00:34
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Betreff: Re: AW: Writing Non Manual Signals

In ASL there is a specific lexical mouth morpheme that goes with the sign
FINISH.  It looks more like "fsh" than the full formal English word.  ASL
does not mouth the English words, it uses the mouth for other grammatical
purposes...

cherie

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From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:15 PM
Subject: AW: Writing Non Manual Signals

Hi Natasha, Adam, Erika and friends, 

well you know that I am working for more than a decade on
developing/inventing  a symbolset to describe what the mouth, the lips, the
tongue are doing while performing movement as if somebody is speaking—I call
this kind of symbols “Mundbilder”  So this has nothing to do with sound but
only with kind of lipreading – 

The spelling depends on your focus. If you want to really understand exactly
what the mouth is doing I would transcribe the complete set of Mundbilder
that represents the “pronouncing” of “finish” 

If you just want to support the reader – who already knows what is going on
looking at the movement of the hands. And if you just want to give a hint
that there is a performance coming from the mouth as well – the informed
reader will be satisfied just to read the beginning ...

In this case I would write the sign “finish” this way  --  

Regards 

Stefan

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[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Erika
Hoffmann-Dilloway
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. April 2013 18:58
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Betreff: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals

Yes, I'm sure he'll chime in, but I'm sure Stefan will be able to provide
some insight, as someone who regularly writes signs with multiple mouth
movements distributed across linked head symbols.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org> wrote:

If that is the writing that you were talking about, that is one possibility
of how to write it. I would find myself trying to make it so that the mouth
movements be written with one face, but I agree with you that that isn't
really possible in this case. 

If I were to write this vertically, I would probably see what it looks like
with the heads stacked on top of each other because I find that vertically
writing flows better with vertical columns. Take fingerspelling for example.
When the writing is vertical, it flows better to have the fingerspelling
vertical as well.

Now if this were just by itself or with horizontal writing, I might choice
to write it as you did. I think the only difference would be that I would
overlap the face circles more, creating a Venn Diagram feel. ;-) That is
actually how Stefan writes, which I think has a lot of merit to it.

Adam

On Apr 10, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Adam Frost wrote:

I didn't see an attachment, but I found this in SignPuddle. Is this what you
meant?

Adam

On Apr 10, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Natasha Escalada-Westland wrote:

Hi! I'm working on a presentation about Non Manual Signals, particularly
mouth morphemes, and want to know if writing a mouth movement that changes
during the course of one sign as a series of connected heads is acceptable.
I've attached an example of the ASL sign for FINISH, as it appears in the
phrase FINISH EXPERIENCE (to have experienced a particular activity).
Thanks, Natasha Escalada-Westland 

-- 
Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
Oberlin College 

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