AW: Writing Non Manual Signals

[Cherie Wren]

In ASL there is a specific lexical mouth morpheme that goes with the sign FINISH.  It looks more like "fsh" than the full formal English word.  ASL does not mouth the English words, it uses the mouth for other grammatical purposes...

cherie





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> From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
>To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:15 PM
>Subject: AW: Writing Non Manual Signals
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>Hi Natasha, Adam, Erika and friends, 
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>well you know that I am
working for more than a decade on developing/inventing  a symbolset to describe
what the mouth, the lips, the tongue are doing while performing movement as if somebody
is speaking—I call this kind of symbols “Mundbilder”  So this
has nothing to do with sound but only with kind of lipreading – 
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>The spelling depends on
your focus. If you want to really understand exactly what the mouth is doing I
would transcribe the complete set of Mundbilder that represents the “pronouncing”
of “finish” 
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>If you just want to support
the reader – who already knows what is going on looking at the movement
of the hands. And if you just want to give a hint that there is a performance
coming from the mouth as well – the informed reader will be satisfied just
to read the beginning ...
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>In this case I would write
the sign “finish” this way  --  
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>Regards 
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>Stefan
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>Von:SignWriting
List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. April 2013
18:58
>An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>Betreff: Re: Writing Non Manual
Signals
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>Yes, I'm sure he'll chime in, but I'm sure Stefan will be able to
provide some insight, as someone who regularly writes signs with multiple mouth
movements distributed across linked head symbols.
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>On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Adam Frost <frost at signwriting.org>
wrote:
>If that is the writing that you were talking about, that is one
possibility of how to write it. I would find myself trying to make it so that
the mouth movements be written with one face, but I agree with you that that
isn't really possible in this case. 
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>If I were to write this vertically, I would probably see what it looks
like with the heads stacked on top of each other because I find that vertically
writing flows better with vertical columns. Take fingerspelling for example.
When the writing is vertical, it flows better to have the fingerspelling
vertical as well.
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>Now if this were just by itself or with horizontal writing, I might
choice to write it as you did. I think the only difference would be that I
would overlap the face circles more, creating a Venn Diagram feel. ;-) That is
actually how Stefan writes, which I think has a lot of merit to it.
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>Adam
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>On Apr 10, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
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>I didn't see an attachment, but I found this in SignPuddle. Is this
what you meant?
>Adam
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>On Apr 10, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Natasha Escalada-Westland wrote:
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>Hi! I'm working on a presentation about Non Manual Signals,
particularly mouth morphemes, and want to know if writing a mouth movement that
changes during the course of one sign as a series of connected heads is
acceptable. I've attached an example of the ASL sign for FINISH, as it appears
in the phrase FINISH EXPERIENCE (to have experienced a particular activity).
Thanks, Natasha Escalada-Westland 
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>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
>Assistant Professor of Anthropology
>Oberlin College 
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