AW: Writing Non Manual Signals

[Stefan Wöhrmann]

Hello sw-friends, 

 

well – hm –I follow this discussion with interest. 

 

It is as Valerie mentioned several times before. Feel free to write what you
want to. ... 

 

 

If you take a look at the German SignPuddle you will understand that German
SignLanguage (DGS) is different from ASL. The information coming from the
mouth is very important. That is the reason that I defined the meaning of
several “mouthgesture –symbols”  And as you may know Fernando in Brazil
writes these symbols the same way. 

 

I prefer to write the headcircles from left to write – no matter what the
direcetion of writing is (top down or horizontally) – 

 

I experimented myself a lot with different kinds of Mundbildern. I even
tried out mouthsymbols without any headcircles !!!!   In the end I feel most
comfortable with overlapping headcircles and one Mundbild within one
headcircle.  

 

Just my two cents,

 

Stefan

 

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Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Adam Frost
Gesendet: Samstag, 13. April 2013 23:30
An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Betreff: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals

 

I agree that having the mouth symbols stacked on top of each other like that
does see odd, but maybe that would be just fine enough for reading without
taking up so much space to have multiple head circles. I think it is
something worth experimenting with to see if it would work alright or not.

 

Adam

 

On Apr 13, 2013, at 1:44 PM, KJ Boal wrote:





Hi everyone,

Having both mouth symbols in one head symbol is an interesting idea, but I
personally didn’t care for it.  The top mouth looked like a moustache to me.
I did like the other two writings; but if I had to pick one it would be
Adam’s, just because of the way he used the top-off head to stack the head
symbols.  Both ending mouths made sense to me.

Just my two cents,

KJ

 

From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] On Behalf Of Valerie Sutton
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:37 PM
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Subject: Re: Writing Non Manual Signals

 

SignWriting List

April 13, 2013

 

Hi Natasha and Adam and Stefan and all


 

I like all the methods shown - and of course your work with Mouth Movements,
Stefan is truly wonderful 
 

 

Regarding writing down in vertical columns, I agree that the feeling of the
changing mouth movements feels like it should be written down, since the
reading of the entire document is going down
and likewise, when reading a
document from left to right, writing the changing facial expressions from
left to right makes sense for the reading direction


 

I like Natasha's writing of the sign for FINISH and Adam's too
it is true
that when we use the Head symbol with the top off the top of the head, it
gives us a way to place one face over the other in an interesting stack - to
find that symbol, go to the Heads, and under the first group in Heads is a
Head Symbol that does not have the top on, so we can stack more facial
features into one Head symbol
Adam used that to superimpose one head on the
other in his example below


 

And all the Facial Expressions are listed on this page as Adam said:

 

http://www.signbank.org/iswa/cat_4.html

 

 - just click on the Group name and it will list all the facial expression
and head symbols with names and ID numbers...

 

Now, below I have placed an idea...this is only an experiment - I have never
shared this with anyone before, but what about the idea of stacking mouth
symbols within one head symbol? It may look ridiculous and I will not mind
if you tell me so! (smile)
take a look at this idea attached
the Head Circle
without the top on it, would be a requirement so we know we are stacking
Facial features
we would know that those are two Mouth Positions stacked
within one Head Circle, because the top of the Head circle is not there -
this would only work for two positions or maybe three at the most -

 

 

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