AW: AW: Design for SignPuddle 3: parts-of-speech and morphology of sign language

Thu Dec 12 20:52:23 UTC 2013

“The biggest change will be a status for each entry.
* provisional
* approved
* nonstandard
* rejected

Hi Steve 

– I am afraid that this will cause problems – who am I to judge things like
these categories ...no – all I take care of as much as possible is to make
sure that most entries should be written correctly .. I  do not stop to
mention at any workshop or meeting that it is not the question of signing or
signlanguage what I am interested in – as a SignWriting scribe – I am
interested to write, whatever I see as a given signing – performance. That
is the reason that it is so wonderfull to add several dialects or variations
of a given sign/term ... Your new categories should be entered in private
puddles – people may hire a staff or a group of a scientific comunity may
want to think about this ... 

Just my idea 

Stefan 

“The biggest change will be a status for each entry.
* provisional
* approved
* nonstandard
* rejected

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sign language

On 12/12/13, 5:38 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

Well I haven´t got the time, the knowledge, the energy to work with more
options as I do right now. I am happy that “find by word” with different
options ...and find by symbol is possible, 

For my work at school there is nothing more needed – as far as I can see
now... 

Hi Stefan,

No worries.  I'll be fixing up the current usage and adding some new
functionality.  Basic usage will stay the same and not require additional
steps or knowledge.

The biggest change will be a status for each entry.
* provisional
* approved
* nonstandard
* rejected

New entries are created as provisional.  Editors can later mark the entries
as approved, nonstandard, or rejected.

This is needed to clean up the search results and have a measure of a
dictionary's contents.

On 12/12/13, 9:57 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

After reading these comments, it sounds like to me it is best not to include
this feature of “morphology” in SignPuddle 3, when there may not be an
equivalent in the sign language world that matches such a term and it will
only confuse all of us - it actually could be a negative for the software.

I agree that there probably isn't a universal morphology list.  

There are so many other features in SignPuddle 3 that we need so badly
thank
you for giving us those, Steve -

Hi Val, I understand there is a lot of pain.  I'm trying to focus on what
needs done sooner rather than later. Thanks for your patience.

The initial database design is working but needs to be cleaned up.  The
design choices have far reaching implications and require serious
consideration. 

On 12/11/13, 4:53 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

My only comment is that I hope all dictionary entries don't require a
linguist to actually put them in or to find them. I have been excited about
SignWriting because it has allowed me to write what I actually sign, not
describe it in a spoken language for a third party. 

Hi Charles,

The dictionary is to help support writers of all kinds.  The additional
information is not required, but an optional description.

That will become an impossible burden to lexicographers. 

Let's not think of it as a burden, but as a possibility. 

The burden becomes impossible, and is no longer useful to an actual user of
SignWriting as a writing system, not a linguistic tool.  

Yes, SignWriting is a writing system and will stay that way.  The linguistic
additions are outside of the SignWriting script and not an integral part.

Regards,
-Steve

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