AW: idea for SW book

Sat Jan 19 21:23:45 UTC 2013

Yes, Maria I think we'll definitely be working with a short excerpt from
one of those sources rather than the whole thing. I don't want to impose
too much on everyone's time!

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM, MARIA GALEA <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt>wrote:

> Hi Erika,
> I also managed to see the Pear story - and I'm in a situation like Stefan,
> where I immediately realized that this is going to be too long to
> transcribe just now. It will have to wait till after September I'm afraid
> for me to transcribe, as I have a deadline for my disseration this year.
> What about trying to find a shorter picture story? Or else choose a part
> of the pear story rather than the whole story?
> warmest,
> maria
>
>
> > Hi Erika and sw-friends
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > sorry for the delay with my comment.
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking at the frog story and looking at the video with the pear story
> ---
> >
> >
> >
> > ... I felt like � o no, that is much too � I will not be able to write
> the
> > one or the other � there is so much work to be done in my class as you
> > know.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > A quite different idea came to my mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you know of these drawings for beginners in any new language  showing:
> > 1)
> > a knife on a table, 2) a boy writing at the blackboard, 3) a girl playing
> > with her cat 4) a mother working in the flower garden, a) a bird singing
> > on
> > a tree ...
> >
> >
> >
> > What about to compare around the world how people would express this idea
> > in
> > their given Signlanguage and write this down in SignWriting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do not know whether this kind of documents would provide that kind of
> > information that are interesting
> >
> >
> >
> > Just look at the different signs in the various SL  for dog, mother,
> > colors,
> > .... and maybe this kind of short descriptions show common concepts of
> > grammar or SL as well...
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking forward to your answer . and I think it would be good to take
> some
> > time for group discussion, brainstorming before anybody starts to
> > transcribe
> > anything...
> >
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> >
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
> > [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Erika
> > Hoffmann-Dilloway
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Januar 2013 15:54
> > An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> > Betreff: Re: idea for SW book
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Maria!
> >  Yes, I'm hoping I can get a publisher to reproduce all the texts in my
> > book, so they'll be available that way. But I think they should be
> > available
> > outside the book too - through the SW website or the puddle or whatever,
> > so
> > that they can be useful to all of us and other researchers.
> > I'll look for a more accessible pear stories link and post when I've
> found
> > one :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, MARIA GALEA <maria.azzopardi at um.edu.mt>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Erika,
> > Hope you are fine, and happy new year. Great to hear about the next steps
> > in your book. i can't open the link to the other story of the pear..any
> > idea how to get that story? Also will the data be available to use by
> > other researchers who would look at other aspects of it such as
> > cross-linguistic
> > comparisons? I really hope you manage to pool in a good number of texts.
> > Will be very glad to help with the LSM written story for you.
> > Thanks
> > maria
> >
> >
> >> Hi KJ - thanks for your feedback. The frog story is quite long but
> >> you're
> >> right that an excerpt might work!
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 18, 2013, at 9:44 PM, "KJ Boal" <kjoanne403 at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I do like the idea of cross-linguistic elicitation material like what
> >>> you�ve suggested, though I think both those pieces are quite long � we
> >>> might want to select an excerpt from one of them. (My vote is for
> >>> something from Frog, Where Are You? � I like being able to look back
> >>> and
> >>> forth at the pictures to construct the story in my mind, since I don�t
> >>> normally think in ASL. I know I�d find a picture story easier to work
> >>> with than a video.)
> >>> Great idea!
> >>> KJ
> >>>
> >>> From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
> >>> [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] On Behalf Of Erika
> >>> Hoffmann-Dilloway
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:17 PM
> >>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> >>> Subject: Re: idea for SW book
> >>>
> >>> Hi all!
> >>> I've been thinking over what material we should use a shared starting
> >>> point for producing SW documents for the book. I don't want to us to
> >>> translate from a text in a written (signed or spoken) language. So, I'm
> >>> thinking the best approach might be to an elicitation material commonly
> >>> used in cross-linguistic spoken and signed language research, such as
> >>> Frog, Where Are You? (a picture story with no written text) or The Pear
> >>> Story video.
> >>> For those not familiar -
> >>> The former can be seen in the appendix of this article:
> >>> http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/manuals/frog.pdf
> >>> The latter can be viewed here: http://pearstories.org/
> >>> I suggest one of these because they've been chosen precisely because
> >>> they are thought to be relatively cross-culturally accessible - and we
> >>> are a diverse group :)
> >>> They are also thought to elicit interesting grammatical variation in
> >>> languages.
> >>> Finally, because there is so much research on sign languages that has
> >>> used these materials for elicitation, the texts you produce can more
> >>> easily become a part of a broad comparative cannon.
> >>> Frog, Where Are You? will be more work for you all though, as
> >>> translating it will certainly take much longer - and for that reason
> >>> The
> >>> Pear Stories might be a better choice.
> >>> However, it would be really cool if another result of this project was
> >>> to contribute to the written sign language literature available for
> >>> d/Deaf children and other readers!
> >>> Mercer Meyer has been very generous in lending this story to research,
> >>> and I can look into what it would take to make it permissible to have
> >>> multilingual versions of the text with the illustrations available on
> >>> the SSW website. Having the translations be useful not only for
> >>> research
> >>> purposes but also for kids to read would certainly be in the SW spirit!
> >>> What do you all think?
> >>> Best,
> >>> Erika
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> SignWriting List
> >>> January 17, 2013
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
> >>> <erhoffma at oberlin.edu> wrote:
> >>> Yes, I think for the purposes of this project it's fine for
> >>> participants
> >>> to create the document in whatever way they prefer. Many who use
> >>> SignPuddles may want to use that option, but delegs, or even
> >>> handwriting
> >>> are fine with me. These different approaches themselves provide
> >>> interesting data for my project!
> >>>
> >>> ---------
> >>>
> >>> Yes�I agree. Another software program is SignWriter Studio, developed
> >>> in
> >>> Honduras, and in Honduras they also have shown us some amazing
> >>> handwritten documents using full stick figures - so the variety of
> >>> software and writing styles is quite amazing�
> >>>
> >>> Take a look at the Honduran document attached�this looks like documents
> >>> from Denmark too:
> >>>
> >>> <image001.jpg>
> >>>
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> >>> --
> >>> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
> >>> Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> >>> Oberlin College
> >>
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
> > Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> > Oberlin College
> >
> >
>
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Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
Oberlin College
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