AW: A Pear Story

Mon Jan 21 16:24:14 UTC 2013

Hi Erika, 

you are doing such a fantastic job trying to moderate the beginning of this
interesting project!  ... and Cherie  “that is why its never a good idea to
say so directly "you're wrong."

Smile ;-) 

Stefan

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Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Erika
Hoffmann-Dilloway
Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2013 15:58
An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Betreff: Re: A Pear Story

Hi Cherie,
Great, welcome! I don't want to insist on any sort of tight time frame for
this project. I'm happy to keep it going on a rolling basis so that as many
people who are interested can participate despite their other obligations.
So please let feel free to join in when you're finished with the house (and
good luck!).
Likewise, Charles feel free to join back in once you're settled in Brazil
(and also good luck with that!).
Best,
Erika

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Cherie Wren <cwterp at yahoo.com> wrote:

see, that is why its never a good idea to say so directly "you're wrong."
'I wouldn't sign it that way' is always better.  I brush (not rub) straight
up, so now we have three variations of one sign.  lol.  Are they regional
variations, individual variations, or are one or two of us 'wrong'?  No real
way to know...

shall we discuss how to sign FROG instead?  I'm in for this project btw, we
are in the middle of a hellacious mountain of paperwork and meetings and
contractors trying to buy a fannie mae foreclosure house, or I would have
responded sooner.  

cherie

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From: KJ Boal <kjoanne403 at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:15 AM

Subject: Re: A Pear Story

OK, I agree you’re doing PSE – but the sign “pear” is still written wrong
because the right had should move to the left – toward the left wrist. I
have no issue with the Rub symbol (sorry if I used the wrong word), I just
disagree with the arrows.

You’ve taken issue with others’ sign spelling before, I didn’t think you’d
be that defensive if someone pointed out a problem with yours.

KJ

From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Butler
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:57 PM
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Subject: Re: A Pear Story

I was working directly off of the ASL Sign Puddle. I'm glad to write it out
long-hand and make the sign on ASL puddle more explicit. 

Signed English would be: I picked up the pairs and put them into the bag. 

I have no time markers, what I have is PSE. 

Me pick pear into bag. 

I just looked at the sign on the ASL sign puddle, and the sign shows "rub
between" which means it stays on the hand, and does not brush off. The
arrows show the direction of the rub, but the rub says that the hands remain
in contact. A brush would move off. 

This is a brush, it would move off in the direction of the arrow. 

pear

This is a rub, the hand remains in contact and moves in the direction of the
arrow (which means the right hand is grasping the left hand and moving to
the right in the direction of the arrow but it does not move off the hand.

Charles Butler
chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
240-764-5748
Clear writing moves business forward.

--- On Sun, 1/20/13, KJ Boal <kjoanne403 at SIGNWRITING.ORG> wrote:

From: KJ Boal <kjoanne403 at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
Subject: Re: A Pear Story
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 7:37 PM

Nice story, Charles, but I think you misspelled “pear” – the right hand
should rub the left, but your arrows show the right hand moving away from
the left.

Works for me as an example of Signed English!

KJ

From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] On Behalf Of Valerie Sutton
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 3:15 PM
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Subject: Re: A Pear Story

SignWriting List

January 19, 2013

We got it, Charles - This is great! 

I still need to make that SignPuddle file - it is coming - 

Meanwhile wherever you save it in SignPuddle, be sure to put in the Text
area, that the document is for the "Anthropology Book Project"

Val ;-)

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On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

I picked a bag of pears. The bag ripped. What to do? I put the pears into
the bag again. I got onto a bicycle. No. No. The bears ripped the bag again.
Enough. I give the pears to you. 

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Courtesy of SignBank.org <http://www.signbank.org/> 

-- 
Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
Oberlin College 

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