Sign puddle online does not translate existing words
Jonathan Duncan
duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Fri Oct 4 14:58:06 UTC 2013
Hello André,
What do you mean by "I tried sign bank 85 but I could never upload
the Québec Sign language files I copied from Sign puddle". I was
thinking that maybe you mean't the signpuddle number of the puddle where
in the url sgn=85, but that is India's signpuddle. The for
"Dictionnaire Quebec" is sgn=47.
I imagine you mean that you downloaded the puddle from SignPuddle
and couldn't import it. Is this what you meant?
I just imported it and it worked fine for me. Let me know where you are
getting stuck.
If you meant uploading to SignPuddle then the bad news it that
SignPuddle can only import one sign or document at a time.
Exporting from SignWriter Studio to PersonalPuddle and vice versa is
much more feasible though not perfect.
Jonathan
On 10/2/2013 6:20 PM, André L wrote:
>
> Hello Jonathan,
>
> thank you for the work around.
> I will try it this weekend.
> I will try to contact Steve to assist me because I have over a hundred
> signs to process.
> I have many more signs in draft in SignWriter studio.
>
> Also, I tried sign bank 85 but I could never upload the Québec Sign
> language files I copied from Sign puddle, so I gave up. I would have
> like to build a dictionnary.
>
>
> André Lemyre
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:29:30 -0600
> From: duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
> Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing words
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
> Hi Andre,
> When exporting from SignWriter Studio to Sign Puddle there is no
> way to directly to a SignMaker entry. This is a limitation of
> SignPuddle. I have run into this limitation myself personally trying
> to add and modify sign to the puddle from SignWriter Studio.
> SignPuddle doesn't yet have adequate import/export or synching
> capabilities. I have written to Steve about it but he hasn't been
> able to make it a priority yet.
> If you just have a few signs then this is they way to do it.
>
> 1. In SignWriter Studio when positioned on the sign, click
> Edit/Copy/Copy Sign to Sign Puddle or press Ctrl-Alt-C. It shows
> the sign in SignPuddle in your browser.
> 2. Click on the puddle you want to save to.
> 3. In Terms type "temp"
> 4. Click Add
> 5. Click Copy Sign From SignText
> 6. Click Copy Sign
> 7. Click on SignPuddle you want to save to
> 8. In Terms type in the term for the sign
> 9. Click Add
> 10. Click on Search by Words or Search by Signs
> 11. In Terms and Titles type "temp"
> 12. Click on temp
> 13. Click Delete Entry
> 14. Click Delete Entry
>
>
>
> Otherwise you might ask Steve if you export to an SPML file if he can
> add them for you.
>
> I hope his helps
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan
>
> On 10/2/2013 11:41 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
> SignWriting List
> October 2, 2013
>
> Andre, Steve, Charles and Jonathan -
>
> No worries everyone. Thank you for your messages. And thank you
> for bringing this issue up, which as far as I know, from my
> experience, is specific between the two programs: SignWriter
> Studio and SignPuddle. I noticed this issue myself a long time ago
> and did mention it once to Jonathan, but there is so much to do it
> got sidetracked. It seems that exporting signs from the SignWriter
> Studio dictionary end up as SignText in SignPuddle instead of
> dictionary entries…so the signs are not made with SignMaker, but
> instead with SignWriter Studio's dictionary, but they need to end
> up as the equivalent to signs made with SignMaker… not as SignText
> …so we need both Jonathan's and Steve's help with this one -
>
> Thank you, Andre, by the way, for your documents - they are
> charming! And thank you for pointing this out to us -
>
> Val ;-)
>
> --------
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Charles Butler
> <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM <mailto:chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM>> wrote:
>
> IF this does not work from a compatible program then the
> compatibility program of the major SignWriting programs need
> to all be made compatible. I know that this is a challenge,
> but making a new signwriting translator without a
> compatibility check seems a little futile. If the main
> database can't retrieve the words, then the point of Open
> Source is not being fulfilled.
>
> To do Open Source means that all output from a given input
> must be compatible to the central databank, in the case,
> SignBank, SignPuddle, and all of those others created.
>
> Is it not part of the spec of importing signs? Is there not a
> command to say "which of the following compatible programs are
> you using to import to SignPuddle?" "have you contact Steve
> Slevinski to ensure that the program will in fact import your
> signs in a form that is acceptable to the data retrieval
> function."
>
> Else, it is a very large learning curve.
> Charles Butler
> chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
> 240-764-5748
> Clear writing moves business forward.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Stephen E Slevinski Jr <slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET
> <mailto:slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET>>
> *To:* SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing
> words
>
>
> On 10/2/13 11:37 AM, André L wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Many of the words I entered in sign puddle using sign
> studio are not displayed in the translate feature.
> Only the words are displayed without sign.
> However, with a seach on the same words, the sign is
> displayed.
>
> Hi Andre,
>
> The translate feature works with individual signs that were
> created in SignMaker.
>
> The translate feature does not work with sign texts that were
> created with SignText.
>
> Looking at the "assis" entry:
> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400
>
>
>
> The sign is boxed and a lower font size. This indicates it
> was created with SignText. Under the "Source", you can see
> the "SignText data" links. This sign will not work in the
> current translate.
>
> Here is "assistant" in the same dictionary.
>
>
>
> Notice that it is not boxed and a larger font size. This
> indicates is was created with SignMaker. Under the "Search.."
> links, you can see the "Sign data" links. This sign will work
> in translate.
>
>
> So that's the problem. You say you created this with "sign
> studio". Are you talking about Jonathan's SignWriter Studio?
> Or did you use SignText?
>
> The solution is to move the signs from the sign text area to
> individual signs. I'm not sure the best way to do this.
>
> How many entries are like this?
>
> Regards,
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