Finally, yes.

[Charles Butler]

I remember attempting to put together a step-by-step order to my dictionaries, and the last chapter was to be an example of carrying on conversation. 

THIS experiment of expressive AND receptive writing is perfect. If one is taking the point of view of a third party, then this actually shows both points of view and can show exactly what happens in a cartoon, for example, when you are taking the point of view of one person looking at others signing. 

You can't be BOTH people at the same time. If you are one person, you are NOT the other. That's been my point in writing out a videotape all the time. If you are watching someone else signing, THEY are signing, you AREN'T. Your signs may be perfect, but you are NOT them and if you are writing out a videotape it should match THEIR movements, not yours. 

A dictionary, you are reading YOURSELF, a videotape, you are reading someone else, and that is their right hand is to your left. 
 
Charles Butler
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 From: Romero <romero at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: one more receptive/expressive question
 




On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM> wrote:

Hi Erika, Valerie  and sw-list
> 
>due to so many different tasks I am late to answer your email.
> 
>Just for fun ... I experimented with this kind of writing showing to people in interaction – You should be able to read this document. It is kind of movement – writing. For my students it is so much fun to see a written document of their way to say “hello” to each other when they meet the first time in the morning. You will notice that I decided to write expressive/receptive mode in one and the same sign... so your brain gets information about who of the two is doing what. The person next to you (down on the line- acts from your point of view as the reader) – The other person acts as if you are watching him (receptive) ... at the same time...
> 
>All best
> 
>Stefan  
> 
>(You can write this document with our powertool for school the “delegs-editor” just say  “new document” ... ask for the “dgs- dictionary” and type  “Begrüßung01 Begrüßung02 Begrüßung03 Begrüßung04 Begrüßung05 Begrüßung06....”  later I will have to rewrite the signs in SignPuddle so that they should fit better in between the lines ;-.))  )
>Then you may want to create a PDF  .. you know ... )
> 
> 
>
>________________________________
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>Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. August 2013 15:54
>An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>Betreff: one more receptive/expressive question
> 
>Hi again! Thanks to all who responded to my earlier question - such helpful responses! I'll be sure to keep you all updated about the paper. 
>I noticed something in your replies that made me think of an additional question: most of you talked about the process of writing and how expressive/receptive affects that process. Do any of you have any thoughts on how the choice affects reading? For example, when you read something written expressively, do you think that it makes you experience the writing differently? Are you more likely to sign it "out loud" (physically perform the signs in whole or in part while signing)? To notice spelling or writing choices that would differ from your own? Does putting yourself in the writer's shoes make you relate to them more?
>Thanks!
>Erika
>
>
>-- 
>Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
>Assistant Professor of Anthropology
>Oberlin College<Dialog in GebärdenSchrift Begrüßung unter gehörlosen Freunden.jpg>
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