Ordering Signs in Dictionaries

Thu Aug 14 04:47:15 UTC 2014

Valerie has an imposed order by an encoded sign-symbol-sequence taking precedence over her "default" one. 

I had to sort mine manually, there may be ways for you to achieve yours by other methods in your new program, but if you impose it by the software at the beginning, then you will have to impose a "Sign Spelling Sequence" as the default at some point, as unless you know a sign, all you see in the dictionary is the completed one, not its inherent order when it is made of multiple syllables. 

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 From: Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA>
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: Ordering Signs in Dictionaries

Hi Val,
    I wrote to Charles, but posted to the list as I am interested in
    everybody´s input on the subject. :-)   

Please share more about the two ways sorting is being done.

Jonathan

On 8/13/2014 1:01 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

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August 13, 2014

Jonathan and Charles -
Perhaps you are working privately together and if so that is wonderful ;-)

I do not want to impose my ideas about sorting dictionaries, since this was an email for Charles and not for me - smile -

and I agree with Jonathan, Charles, that your presentation 10 at the SignWriting Symposium was a great addition to the presentations…

So is it ok with you that I tell you how we are sorting signs here? There are actually two ways we are doing it now…

Val ;-)

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On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA> wrote:

Hi Charles,
    I enjoyed your symposium “Ordering Signs in Dictionaries” http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0010.html
 I was wondering if Steve and Val had been able to find you a solution.  Val mentioned that she thought that Steve would have an easy way for you to do your sorting.

I would like to implement a sorting algorithm for
              SignWriter Studio as I haven't implemented any yet and I
              am starting to produce a Honduran Sign Language
              dictionary.  

I understood how you are doing the ordering comparing hand
              shapes, comparing rotations, comparing facings, comparing
              facial areas, etc.  I like it very much.

A couple things I wanted to ask.

For your algorithm to work properly does the sign sequence
              of a sign need to be filled out?  I am getting the
              impression that your sorting could sort dictionaries
              without the sign sequence, is this assumption correct?  Or
              would it sort signs according to the symbols in sign
              sequence?  It doesn't seem to take into account the order
              of the symbols in the sign sequence, is this correct?

Also do you have another document comparing the other
              symbols like movement symbols, etc?  If so could you send
              it to me? 

Thanks

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