Animations to teach signwriting

Wed Jan 8 22:22:34 UTC 2014

I have a software called Ankidroid I used to study chinese.  It has 2 settings: black on white  and white on black (night mode).  It seems useful for some environments.  If we go that way, we should have also color setting for partially blind people (orange on white or yellow on black).  I will try to get that information.

Soon I will gather put all feedbacks sorted in a document: software consideration, symbols, transparency, frame rate, avatar, dictionary, colors, merged or distinct dictionary...  I will keep names and dates in the text.  This way nothing is lost.  A single idea could change much.

André Lemyre

Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 11:11:32 -0800
From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
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Sound prefect.  The reason why I do agreed with all this is because my first attempt create GIFS on my Android phone has few bugs need an attentions. This is my first try. I already have better idea to create better one next time. This colors and im unable to create transparent background on my Android is my own preference for my eyes comfort. 
Dale Archuleta

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                                        Such an editor would take existing signs and allow manipulating them.  Example: Selecting a vertical hand would allow to puting it horizontal to illustrate a rotation... Such software should not be coded too soon.  People need to explore the possibilities.  The proof of concept is starting. This is my current process.1- Import a dictionary in sign writer studio.2- Select a sign.3-Create a copy of the sign.4-Edit the sign by selecting symbols to duplicate or reposition.5-If necessary add a head.  This defines where the hands will be located.6-Copy paste an image of signwriter studio in pain.7-Resize the paint display.-----transparency setting would come
 here----8-Create several copies of the written sign.9-Edit each file with the same name and a counter (file 0 is the original written sign with extra transition symbols).  The head is my origin.  It should not move.10-Feed the files in a gif animator.  Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:43:06 -0800From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COMSubject: Re: Animations to teach signwritingTo: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDUYes, it sound like we will need to developing "Animated Signwriting Creator" software where it automatically set up rules and grids template screen to positioning loops cycle for us to follow to prevent errors.  And
 capacity to format transparent background
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                            I agree with you that mixing signwriting and videos will become an habit in some future.  The need cannot be delayed, we would have to redo much work. The template window frame for the gif may be big.  We must allow the character to extend  left and right arms.  That would make a huge white square on top of a video.  Transparency would hide less of the content.Another example would be animated cartoons. André Lemyre Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:31:07 -0800From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COMSubject: Re: Animations to teach signwritingTo: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDUAndre Lemyre
There are several reasons why transparent background is needed but it is not required.  One of examples, if I want to put animated signwriting on the pictures or videos on fixed opacity transparent background to easy on eyes comfort to reading without colors inpurterted matched colors. It would be lot of work if I have to modify GIFS personally. I'm sure some of people has other reasons.
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                            Do you have an example of a need to overlay a sign to something else?I think that I saw a free gif animator 10 years ago that supported transparent beackground.I will do a research. André Lemyre Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:03:14 -0800From: freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COMSubject: Re: Animations to teach signwritingTo: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDUHello 
I understood most Editors programs doesn't supports transparent backgrounds. I feel its very important to have entirely transparent background because it's able to overlays anything without modification. 
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Hello, I agree with a reserve.We may want the white surfaces of the hands and the face to remain white if we display the animation on a coloured background.  Also, in my first  attempts I used Microsoft paint, which does not support transparent background.  Considering that dictionnaries have between 1000 and 5000 words, and there are several contributors, we need to ensure ease of creation to make this project grow.  Standards will be important to avoid redoing the work when someone finds a better way to proceed. Also, I will contact soon the tunisian team who worked on an avatar that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation.   I would start with  Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdfhttp://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.htmlConceptually, our doing gif animation is a subset of what the avatar does in an automated manner.  The avatar may be able to write the gif animations in an automated manner on a large scale.  I such scenario would happen, our best input may become to increase the dictionnaries size to "feed" the avatar or to help it with directional words (example: I give you, you give me).  Concertation will be important before going any further. André LemyreDate: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800From:
 freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COMSubject: Re: Animations to teach signwritingTo: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDUI also agreed rules needs to be applied before processing the animated dictionary.  Such as size, resolute, aligned positioning, etc... I would like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have transparent backgrounds. In a case, we will not need to reformat entire dictionary in future use. 
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                            Hello Jonathan and Valerie, I would prefer to have the animations with the regular dictionaries , just like the optional illustration or video but distinct.In a distant future, the translate feature could concatenate the animations in long stories. I will spend some time preparing samples of animations to see how symbols could be used (good and bad examples).  I will provide several alternatives for people to compare.  I will make a document to open a discussion establish some standards (not my personal preferences).  We do not want an animation of several words being misaligned, shrinking and growing with blinking  fuzzy heads with several file formats and resolution.   We will need
 the opinion of Deaf people, programmers, teachers,  SignWriters,
 children and teenagers for an acceptance test.  Speed will be an issue, I expect Deaf people and fluent signwriters to prefer fast videos (i.e. at a signing speed) while beginners will be lost.   André Lemyre  Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:34:07 -0800From: signwriting at MAC.COMSubject: Re: Animations to teach signwritingTo: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDUSignWriting ListJanuary 6, 2014Thank you, Jonathan!Val ;-)——On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca> wrote:

    Hi Val, 
        With a few small modifications SignWriter Studio should be able
    to store and display animated GIFs.  Sounds like an exciting
    project!!  :-)   
        I would be glad to update SignWriter Studio so that it have the
    animations.
    Jonathan

    On 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Valerie Sutton
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      January 6, 2014

      Hello André!
      Thank you for this message and for the attached PowerPoint -
        It is good to know that PowerPoint can accept animated GIFs. It
        looks great!

      I agree that animated SignWriting is valuable as an
        educational tool…I think others agree too -

      Would you, or anyone else, be interested in working on a new
        project…an Animated SignWriting Dictionary on the web?

      Take a look at this web page:

      http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/

      It is a simple page that shows the sign written in
        SignWriting, and to the right of the sign, is the animated
        version of it…

      We could have an entire site devoted to this Animated
        SignWriting Dictionary and Animated SignWriting Literature idea…

      It could be a relaxed project for fun with no deadlines or
        any pressure at all (I do not like deadlines or pressure ;-) 

      Just whenever the whim hits, do a few animations, and save
        them in a file. Then we can post them in a new site...

      The project could be done for any sign language, and
        essentially be like a SignPuddle Online but for animated signs -

      And that brings up the next question….Steve and
        Jonathan…could SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio store animated
        GIFs?

      Val ;-)

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          On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:50 AM, André L <andre-andre at hotmail.ca>
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              Hello,
                Animations might be an intuitive way to teach
                signwriting to deaf children.
                It uses their knowledge of sign language.
                The movements make the writing more intuitive, closer to
                their experience.
                There are less symbols to read at once.
                It is easy to display on a screen, a computer or on
                paper.
                A teacher can write on a slide with the mouse during the
                class.
                It is possible to create a power point show (does not
                require power point to be displayed).

                Here is an example of one animated word.  It could be a
                sentence, a small movie...

                André Lemyre

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