Animations to teach signwriting

Jonathan Duncan duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Thu Jan 9 12:58:36 UTC 2014


Hi Andre,
     SignWriter Studio can change the size of symbols within a sign.   I 
believe that SignPuddle does not have that feature.
Jonathan
On 1/8/2014 12:20 PM, André L wrote:
> It is an excellent example.
>
> The only concept I would add is shrinking hands size to represent 
> hands moving away from the body.
>
> Also, it is a good example of a continuous animation made of many 
> images to represent a single movement.  It is longer to develop than 
> my slide show animations with a start-midle -end hand position.  
> Transitions between images is faster.  It could display a clear 
> distinction between slow and fast hand motions in a sign.
>
> We would need to measure the different in preparation time to see if 
> it is a burden or not for a large scale project with little automated 
> support.  It may be a little more effort to code an automated tool to 
> generate continuous animations.
>
> The fundamental question for me is: "For Deaf person who has 30 
> minutes to read an animated text on a technical subject for work (like 
> wiki-sign), what is the format they prefer: natural or concise?".
>
>
> About facial expressions, in LSQ, most of the deaf people I met 
> perform oralization for lips reader and sign disambiguation.  In LSQ 
> sign puddle dictionnary we do not have this.
>
> André Lemyre
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:50:30 -0800
> From: signwriting at MAC.COM
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
> SignWriting List
> January 8, 2013
>
> Maybe some of the old animations can be used as a guide to the future 
> ones?…. most avatars do not include the facial expressions needed to 
> really animate signs and sign-sentences - maybe the new avatars do, 
> but in the past that had not been developed enough yet -
>
> Here is Stefan’s sentence with facial expressions...
>
>
> http://www.movementwriting.org/animation
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Dale Archuleta <freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM 
> <mailto:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM>> wrote:
>
>     Yes, it sound like we will need to developing "Animated
>     Signwriting Creator" software where it automatically set up rules
>     and grids template screen to positioning loops cycle for us to
>     follow to prevent errors. And capacity to format transparent
>     background
>
>     Dale Archuleta
>
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:*André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
>     <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>>;
>     *To:*<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>     <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>;
>     *Subject:*Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>     *Sent:*Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:25:35 PM
>
>     I agree with you that mixing signwriting and videos will become an
>     habit in some future.  The need cannot be delayed, we would have
>     to redo much work.
>
>     The template window frame for the gif may be big.  We must allow
>     the character to extend  left and right arms.  That would make a
>     huge white square on top of a video.  Transparency would hide less
>     of the content.
>     Another example would be animated cartoons.
>
>     André Lemyre
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:31:07 -0800
>     From:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM <mailto:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM>
>     Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>     To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>     <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
>     Andre Lemyre
>
>     There are several reasons why transparent background is needed but
>     it is not required. One of examples, if I want to put animated
>     signwriting on the pictures or videos on fixed opacity transparent
>     background to easy on eyes comfort to reading without colors
>     inpurterted matched colors. It would be lot of work if I have to
>     modify GIFS personally. I'm sure some of people has other reasons.
>
>     Dale Archuleta
>
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:*André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
>     <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>>;
>     *To:*<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>     <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>;
>     *Subject:*Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>     *Sent:*Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:15:57 PM
>
>     Do you have an example of a need to overlay a sign to something else?
>     I think that I saw a free gif animator 10 years ago that supported
>     transparent beackground.
>     I will do a research.
>
>     André Lemyre
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:03:14 -0800
>     From:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM <mailto:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM>
>     Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>     To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>     <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
>     Hello
>
>     I understood most Editors programs doesn't supports transparent
>     backgrounds. I feel its very important to have entirely
>     transparent background because it's able to overlays anything
>     without modification.
>
>     Dale Archuleta
>
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:*André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
>     <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>>;
>     *To:*<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>     <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>;
>     *Subject:*Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>     *Sent:*Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:23:30 AM
>
>     Hello,
>     I agree with a reserve.
>     We may want the white surfaces of the hands and the face to remain
>     white if we display the animation on a coloured background. Also,
>     in my first attempts I used Microsoft paint, which does not
>     support transparent background. Considering that dictionnaries
>     have between 1000 and 5000 words, and there are several
>     contributors, we need to ensure ease of creation to make this
>     project grow. Standards will be important to avoid redoing the
>     work when someone finds a better way to proceed.
>
>     Also, I will contact soon the tunisian team who worked on an
>     avatar that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation.   I would
>     start with  Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.
>     http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf
>     http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html
>
>     Conceptually, our doing gif animation is a subset of what the
>     avatar does in an automated manner.  The avatar may be able to
>     write the gif animations in an automated manner on a large scale.
>     I such scenario would happen, our best input may become to
>     increase the dictionnaries size to "feed" the avatar or to help it
>     with directional words (example: I give you, you give me).
>     Concertation will be important before going any further.
>     André Lemyre
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800
>     From:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM <mailto:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM>
>     Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>     To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>     <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
>     I also agreed rules needs to be applied before processing the
>     animated dictionary. Such as size, resolute, aligned positioning,
>     etc... I would like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have
>     transparent backgrounds. In a case, we will not need to reformat
>     entire dictionary in future use.
>
>     Dale Archuleta
>
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>     <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:*André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
>     <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>>;
>     *To:*<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>     <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>;
>     *Subject:*Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>     *Sent:*Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:57:39 AM
>
>     Hello Jonathan and Valerie,
>
>     I would prefer to have the animations with the regular
>     dictionaries , just like the optional illustration or video but
>     distinct.
>     In a distant future, the translate feature could concatenate the
>     animations in long stories.
>
>     I will spend some time preparing samples of animations to see how
>     symbols could be used (good and bad examples).  I will provide
>     several alternatives for people to compare.  I will make a
>     document to open a discussion establish some standards (not my
>     personal preferences). We do not want an animation of several
>     words being misaligned, shrinking and growing with blinking fuzzy
>     heads with several file formats and resolution.
>
>     We will need the opinion of Deaf people, programmers, teachers,
>      SignWriters, children and teenagers for an acceptance test. 
>     Speed will be an issue, I expect Deaf people and fluent
>     signwriters to prefer fast videos (i.e. at a signing speed) while
>     beginners will be lost.
>
>     André Lemyre
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:34:07 -0800
>     From:signwriting at MAC.COM <mailto:signwriting at MAC.COM>
>     Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
>     To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>     <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
>     SignWriting List
>     January 6, 2014
>
>     Thank you, Jonathan!
>
>     Val ;-)
>
>     ——
>
>
>     On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Duncan
>     <duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca <mailto:duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca>> wrote:
>
>         Hi Val,
>         With a few small modifications SignWriter Studio should be
>         able to store and display animated GIFs.  Sounds like an
>         exciting project!!:-)
>         I would be glad to update SignWriter Studio so that it have
>         the animations.
>         Jonathan
>
>         On 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
>             SignWriting List
>             January 6, 2014
>
>             Hello André!
>             Thank you for this message and for the attached PowerPoint
>             - It is good to know that PowerPoint can accept animated
>             GIFs. It looks great!
>
>             I agree that animated SignWriting is valuable as an
>             educational tool…I think others agree too -
>
>             Would you, or anyone else, be interested in working on a
>             new project…an Animated SignWriting Dictionary on the web?
>
>             Take a look at this web page:
>
>             http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/
>
>             It is a simple page that shows the sign written in
>             SignWriting, and to the right of the sign, is the animated
>             version of it…
>
>             We could have an entire site devoted to this Animated
>             SignWriting Dictionary and Animated SignWriting Literature
>             idea…
>
>             It could be a relaxed project for fun with no deadlines or
>             any pressure at all (I do not like deadlines or pressure ;-)
>
>             Just whenever the whim hits, do a few animations, and save
>             them in a file. Then we can post them in a new site...
>
>             The project could be done for any sign language, and
>             essentially be like a SignPuddle Online but for animated
>             signs -
>
>             And that brings up the next question….Steve and
>             Jonathan…could SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio store
>             animated GIFs?
>
>             Val ;-)
>
>             -------
>
>
>             On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:50 AM, André L
>             <andre-andre at hotmail.ca <mailto:andre-andre at hotmail.ca>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 Hello,
>                 Animations might be an intuitive way to teach
>                 signwriting to deaf children.
>                 It uses their knowledge of sign language.
>                 The movements make the writing more intuitive, closer
>                 to their experience.
>                 There are less symbols to read at once.
>                 It is easy to display on a screen, a computer or on paper.
>                 A teacher can write on a slide with the mouse during
>                 the class.
>                 It is possible to create a power point show (does not
>                 require power point to be displayed).
>
>                 Here is an example of one animated word.  It could be
>                 a sentence, a small movie...
>
>
>                 André Lemyre
>
>
>
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