AW: AW: How do you write down SW symbols Š

Sat Mar 8 17:33:28 UTC 2014

Hi André, Charles, Cherie, Val and sw-list - friends, 

well I am afraid that there is a misunderstanding. Well, while writing these punctuation symbols I do not mean to write ASL or DGS (German Sign Language) or any other Sign Language. 

This kind of document Andrè is talking abbout is not Sign Language – but kind of “sign sequence” following the word order of a written spoken Language document. So here we see all these punctuation symbols an dthat is the very reason that we need to have a symbol in these documents in case we write a word to sign translation. (Within this context I would not want to discuss the pros or cons of this kind of document) It is just a possibility to write any symbol we finde in spoken Langabuage documents.

And Cherie ... of course we use in DGS this “quotation sign – bent/hooked U – hand shape) but that is – as you already mentioned – for a different purpose ... For documents to support Spoken Language skills simple symbols are just fine and enough. 

All best 

Stefan 

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Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
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IStephan, 

 understand your choice for writing a spoken language, I chose to write as I would sign. i would not use a quote but the ASL equivalent in body shifting and eye lift. English has punctuation, that's what the spoken language does with a narrative to distinguish speakers. That is not how ASL shows dialogue. It does it with body shifts, eye gazes, and other ways of punctuating that are not mimicking a spoken language but separation by signs. The closest I do is a pause before a body shift, but then the shifted person talks. If one is to show a user of ASL how to write English, we need to show that a "quote" is the equivalent to a body shift, not a punctuation mark. 

Charles Butler
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From: Stefan Woehrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
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Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 2:24 AM
Subject: AW: How do you write down SW symbolsŠ

Hi Val, Charles, Andrè, ... 

Are you asking how to write the punctuation like quote symbols? 

On case you are interested to write not signlanguage but "signed German" or any other "signed spoken language document" as we need them for deaf students to improve their spoken language document I would do it this way. 

I simply added a sign for "quotes" to the dictionary. 

All best 

Stefan 

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Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von André Thibeault
Gesendet: Samstag, 8. März 2014 01:57
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Betreff: How do you write down SW symbolsŠ

Hi Val and everyone,

Suppose I am writing a story. Here is an example of a dialogue:

I said: ³I like your clothes.²

³Thank you,² responded Val.

- ³Where did you buy them?²

- ³I did not buy them: my mother makes my clothes.²

How do you write down SW symbols for Œ ³ ¹,Œ ² ¹ and Œ-Œ in this text

above ?  

In addition, how do you write down SW symbols for Œ«¹ and Œ»¹?

Best regards,

André

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