AW: AW: How do you write down SW symbols Š

Sat Mar 8 18:53:25 UTC 2014

Then just use all of the standard punctuations on a standard keyboard. Every language has them. We had some lines created for periods, commas, and semicolons, but you seem to be "begging" for the use of Roman-Arabic alphabetic characters for a word-to-sign translation. That's fine, use whatever your language uses for standard punctuation, but remember that DGS or ASL will not translate that as a diacritical mark but should translate that as a sequence of signs that talk about a signing space. For me that would be a lane shift, which your horizontal version does not seem to support easily. 

Charles Butler
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 From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM>
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Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 12:33 PM
Subject: AW: AW: How do you write down SW symbolsŠ

Hi André, Charles, Cherie,
Val and sw-list - friends, 

well I am afraid that
there is a misunderstanding. Well, while writing these punctuation symbols I do
not mean to write ASL or DGS (German Sign Language) or any other Sign Language. 

This kind of document
Andrè is talking abbout is not Sign Language – but kind of “sign sequence”
following the word order of a written spoken Language document. So here we see
all these punctuation symbols an dthat is the very reason that we need to have
a symbol in these documents in case we write a word to sign translation. (Within
this context I would not want to discuss the pros or cons of this kind of
document) It is just a possibility to write any symbol we finde in spoken Langabuage
documents.

And Cherie ... of course
we use in DGS this “quotation sign – bent/hooked U – hand shape) but that is –
as you already mentioned – for a different purpose ... For documents to support
Spoken Language skills simple symbols are just fine and enough. 

All best 

Stefan 

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08:42
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down SW symbolsŠ

IStephan, 

 understand your choice for writing a spoken language, I chose to write as
I would sign. i would not use a quote but the ASL equivalent in body shifting
and eye lift. English has punctuation, that's what the spoken language does
with a narrative to distinguish speakers. That is not how ASL shows dialogue.
It does it with body shifts, eye gazes, and other ways of punctuating that are
not mimicking a spoken language but separation by signs. The closest I do is a
pause before a body shift, but then the shifted person talks. If one is to show
a user of ASL how to write English, we need to show that a "quote" is
the equivalent to a body shift, not a punctuation mark. 

Charles
Butler
chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
240-764-5748
Clear writing moves business forward.

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From:Stefan Woehrmann
<stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 2:24
AM
Subject: AW: How do you write down
SW symbolsŠ

Hi Val, Charles, Andrè, ... 

Are you asking how to write the punctuation like quote symbols? 

On case you are interested to write not signlanguage but
"signed German" or any other "signed spoken language
document" as we need them for deaf students to improve their spoken language
document I would do it this way. 

I simply added a sign for "quotes" to the dictionary. 

All best 

Stefan 

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[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von André Thibeault
Gesendet: Samstag, 8. März 2014 01:57
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Betreff: How do you write down SW symbolsŠ

Hi Val and everyone,

Suppose I am writing a story. Here is an example of a dialogue:

I said: ³I like your clothes.²

³Thank you,² responded Val.

- ³Where did you buy them?²

- ³I did not buy them: my mother makes my clothes.²

How do you write down SW symbols for Œ ³ ¹,Œ ² ¹ and Œ-Œ in this
text
above ?  

In addition, how do you write down SW symbols for Œ«¹ and Œ»¹?

Best regards,

André

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