AW: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting

Mon Mar 31 20:05:25 UTC 2014

Hi Valerie, André and friends... 

First of all – well it makes perfectly sense to use this “set of
speechwriting-symbols” in a in standardized form ... and I will do my best
to inform you about this – smile 

As you know I put so much energy into this “Speech Writing” development it
at school it is such a brilliant support for deaf students to achieve  a
higher level of spoken language  skills... 

Additional to that – once again  I have to ring the alarm bell. Bimmel
bimmel bimmel !    There is a big misunderstanding André  -  in fact there
are two different systems about writing what the mouth, the tongue, the
lips, the teeth are doing ... and they should be kept apart and not mixed
up. The chart you showed with the foto of a “speaking boy” has a focus  on
pronounciation – 

Speechwriting within the context of SignWriting is a different subject!

Attached you find a nice animation: The experienced German SignWriting
reader should be able  to read the mouth-movements as “ Name Gebärde was?”
Along with the information coming from th hands it is so easy to understand
– smile. The signer signs: “What is your namesign”  or “What is your
signname?”

So please hold a minute and do not start to mix up or merge or whatever
until I git the chance to explain in detail. 

Hi Valerie – of course it is my plan to contribute in your “call for
paper-project” and I should be able to send the draft seventeen seconds
ahead of the deadline ...

What really makes me feel happy is the fact, that our delegs project
continues – so there is a good chance to improve our Delegs-Editor... big
smile ... 

All best 

Stefan   

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[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von André L
Gesendet: Montag, 31. März 2014 18:52
An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Betreff: Re: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting

Thanks,
I am merging the 2 lists of Stefan,
The new list will contain photos and example of words.
The photos are a great Rosetta Stone to build on.

The table is so complete that is seems it may encompass French and other
languages.

To officialise the symbols of Stefan, we could simply add them in SignPuddle
or create an import file for SignWriter Studio.  Then they could be copied
and paste, added in "Favorite" tab...

 André Lemyre

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:39:08 -0700
From: signwriting at MAC.COM
Subject: Re: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

SignWriting List

March 31, 2014

Hello André and Stefan -

Many thanks to you both for all you are doing...

A side note:  Stefan - there is no rush on anything - we all know how busy
you are and take your time on everything - your health is more important
than anything - I don’t believe in stress ;-))

To answer your question, André (the best I can) -

Of course, Stefan is the official developer of Woehrmann’s SpeechWriting and
whatever he deems “official” is what matters, since without Stefan,
SpeechWriting would not exist
So I respect what Stefan chooses

As far as incorporating some of the new symbols used in SpeechWriting, into
the list of SignWriting symbols in a future version of the ISWA
for writing
sign language mouth movements
I do not know if that is necessary or not
but
again Stefan and other signwriters need to tell us if that is needed...

The ISWA 2010 is a standard symbol set that is built into modern software
and any additional symbols (and there will always be more symbols people
will want added) could possibly be added into the software with special
programming, like a symbol addendum, but we do not plan to do a new version
of the ISWA itself until 2020
or maybe never
 The ISWA 2010 seems to be
working well
because people can construct other symbols if they need them -

Meanwhile Stefan is writing with SpeechWriting using current software, so I
am assuming the extra symbols can be constructed with little lines etc
inside SignPuddle and Delegs software
I think that is wonderful and
brilliant - thank you, Stefan!

So to answer your question - The SpeechWriting symbols used as Stefan will
show us, are official for SpeechWriting. SignWriting for writing sign
language mouth movements does not list the extra symbols at this time, but
they could be used if people want to construct them -

Val ;-)

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On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:07 AM, André L <andre-andre at hotmail.ca> wrote:

Wow,
this is great, the second link is very complete.
This will keep me busy for the week.
Thanks

PS: how do we proceed with extras added symbols which Stefan developed ?
Are they considered as official?

André Lemyre

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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 22:30:17 -0700
From: signwriting at MAC.COM
Subject: Re: Help with mouth and teeth symbols and SpeechWriting
To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU

SignWriting List

March 30, 2014

Hello André!

Of course, Stefan Woehrmann is the developer of SpeechWriting so he is the
one to talk to about this, but here are some links:

http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/mundbild_lesen_lernen001.htm

http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de/read/Mundbilder/uebersicht_mundbilder.htm#%C3
%9Cbersicht%20Mundbilder

As you know, it is called Mundbildschrift in German -

Stefan used the Mouth symbols in SignWriting to create a standardized way of
writing the way speech looks on the mouth - so when you memorize the symbols
and what they represent, people can mouth the words - 

So the above web pages list the standard way of writing each sound on the
mouth - using the SignWriting mouth symbols plus a few extras added symbols
which Stefan developed -

Feel free to correct me, Stefan
we really need you to explain this well -

Val ;-)

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On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:32 PM, André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA> wrote:

Hello,
I need information about how to represent the visible aspect of speech.
Which are the SignWriting symbols that should be used to represent what a
deaf person can read on lips.

I need to develop a correspondance that would integrate SpeechWriting in
SignWriting animations.

I know there are many symbols but their respective purpose is unclear to me.

If anyone has any information on this matter, even if it is incomplete or in
a draft form, it would help me greatly.

Thanks

André Lemyre

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