Examples of Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting

[Adam Frost]

Well, I can say that isn’t what Val had in mind when she wrote the SignSpelling Guidelines-2008. The only thing that I can see of mention of hands was in Syllable 1 and 3 which is the starting and ending positions. That basically means the handshapes and palm orientation rather than location. I guess I could see how positions would make someone think it was related to location, but that isn’t what is being meant here.

Adam

On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA> wrote:

> It could be.  Depends what Val was thinking when she wrote the SignSpellingGuidelines-2008 I guess.
> 
> Thank you for showing me those two symbols.  I had never seen them before.
> 
> Jonathan
> On 9/8/2014 5:12 PM, Adam Frost wrote:
>> The only thing I can think of that has anything with relations to location on the hands is  for the fingers and  for the palm of the hand. They are found under SymbolGroup 29, which is not used in daily writing but for more detailed research. Is that what you were referring to?
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Adam, 
>>>     I am working with Charles on finding a better way for sorting.  So that´s a bit what Charles was explaining to you some of the issues.  I know he also asked last week about locations on the hands.  I know Val was off for a well deserved break.  But we are still wondering about that too  I believe it´s the same as number 1 and 2 in Syllable 4.
>>> 
>>> I asked about the Syllable 4 below because am adding SignSpelling Sequence suggestion function to SignWriter Studio.   There will be two suggestion types,  one that follows Val´s sw0534-SignSpellingGuidelines-2008.pdf and another for what we are developping with Charles.
>>> 
>>> So far I have been able to automate a great part of setting the sequence for a sign from the symbols in a sign (no special location) for SignSpellingGuidelines-2008.  I have done Sylables 1-3 with a great measure of success so long as there aren´t more than four hands and a couple movement symbols.  For composite signs like "Good morning" in Honduran Sign Language it´s not great at all, but otherwise I think that it is a time saver.
>>> 
>>> But I got to Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting and I need some examples of signs sorted that have these features.  I am thinking that many of these would also be the special location symbol that aren´t used in everyday writing.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the two examples you found.  That was helpful.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Jonathan
>>> On 9/8/2014 9:58 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>>> I’m not sure what you mean by 1-3. Do you mean the location on the hand? And what do you mean by Top-Down for the Face?
>>>> 
>>>> As for the neck, I found this sign with SignSpelling Sequence.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=9098
>>>> 
>>>> For the shoulder, I found this sign with SignSpelling Sequence.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=7005
>>>> 
>>>> Adam
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:56 AM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>     Does anybody have any SignSequence examples for
>>>>> 
>>>>> Syllable 4: Detailed Sorting
>>>>> 1. Location Dominant Hand
>>>>> 2. Location Non-Dominant Hand
>>>>> 4. Face (Top-Down)
>>>>> 5. Neck
>>>>> 6. Shoulder
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I´ve looked through the sign spelling sequences for the ASL and only found examples for
>>>>> 3. Head
>>>>> 7. Torso
>>>>> 8. Hips & Legs
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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